Top set on monotone board, 4-way
$1/$2 PLO ($5 bring in), 9 handed with $500 effective stacks
KsKh7s2h
4 limps to Hero, Hero $25, BTN + 2 limpers call
Pot: $110
Flop: KcJcTc
x/x/Hero $30/BTN calls/UTG calls/MP folds
Pot: $200
Turn: Qc (KcJcTcQc)
x/Hero?
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Why raise pre?
Preflop raise is fine, try to buy button, knock out the blinds and a couple limpers. Calling not bad either imo, mix it up a little bit.
I donβt understand not betting pot on the flop.
Of note imoβthe Qc doesnβt change much. As played, I bet 100.
KK56, I agree. In this case your are bloating a multiway pot with the hopes of hitting the second nut flush or a set. In the case of a set, "buying the button" seems less relevant since you welcome lower pairs that can hit sets and be very dominated.
Worse, if you get 3 bet or limp rr, you can end up in a multiway pot where you can't fold but you're not drawing to the nuts and you already behind aa+. With connected cards on the side such as 56 you have a lot more avenues to get value.
I think a limp is preferable here. Rasing first in would be fine or even iso against one opponent, however.
Check flop
Check turn
KK56, I agree. In this case your are bloating a multiway pot with the hopes of hitting the second nut flush or a set. In the case of a set, "buying the button" seems less relevant since you welcome lower pairs that can hit sets and be very dominated.Worse, if you get 3 bet or limp rr, you can end up in a multiway pot where you can't fold but you're not drawing to the nuts and
Tbh the reason I raised is because I want to push my hands immediate equity. If everyone calls, it is what it is but at least stacks are shallower so we don't hate gii as much as if we limped and stacks were deeper.
I assume you raise if you have As7sAh2h?
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I don't under $5 bring in. Does that mean the first player had to make it 5 and then 3 people called that? If so, I would just raise pot with whatever I raised with. Limpers tend to call anyway.
Kind of borderline raise. AA72ds is much stronger, for a variety of reasons.
I don't see the point of the tiny flop bet. You open yourself to a raise. There is a good chance you are not ahead on the flop, but better after everyone just calls 30% pot.
It would check the turn. It is unlikely you are ahead now. Need for the board to pair.
I don't mind a limp or raise pre, but I prefer a limp in this type of game (Assume live?). I don't hate the small bet on the flop. I think we have to check the turn though. If this is a live game, you are likely getting called by crappy flushes and you don't want to drive out the two pair hands that can fill up on the river. That is how you are getting paid off at this point.
I think raising pre is fine. Hand plays much better as a raise than limp, if face a 3! may be ok to fold depending on action.
KK56, I agree. In this case your are bloating a multiway pot with the hopes of hitting the second nut flush or a set. In the case of a set, "buying the button" seems less relevant since you welcome lower pairs that can hit sets and be very dominated.Worse, if you get 3 bet or limp rr, you can end up in a multiway pot where you can't fold but you're not drawing to the nuts and
I think we can agree we'll have position more often than not, we'll get 3b/limp rr less often than not - 56 is better slightly equity wise, but this shouldn't be too hard of a hand to play given we're DS. I prefer to raise given my perceived equity advantage, positional advantage, and we should have an inherent skill advantage but to each their own.
Pre and flop fine, now check of course.
Not much value in a flop bet. We want to be able to fold out straights and straight draws and get value from lower sets.
"Not much value" and proceed to explain why there is value. Ok. Straights will be put in a tough spot when barreled. For me this is not a great card to barrel but I might be wrong.
Whole point is that there aren't many straights or straight draws to fold out on this board
Do you think poker works in a way where you pick one hand for the villain and consider what it does against a certain sizing (and then argue that that sizing must be good and other sizings are bad)? I mean yeah you can start from that but... it makes a lot of sense to have sizings based on board texture and number of opponents.
FWIW Jack Keller & TJ Cloutier always bet/raised the max in any PLO situation and were very successful albeit their heydays were 30-40 years ago.
good one!
Do you think poker works in a way where you pick one hand for the villain and consider what it does against a certain sizing (and then argue that that sizing must be good and other sizings are bad)? I mean yeah you can start from that but... it makes a lot of sense to have sizings based on board t
We might need a solver!