ClubGG Poker Club Rife with Collusion and Bot Activity

Is this happening in any major known union? (Massive, Tmt, Paradise, .. ?) There are a good numbers of speculations about them having issues already, but this would make it even more clear.

Massiv definitely has more bots. Like others have said Im not sure you can play anywhere without some foul play, its just a matter to what extent.

Have read tons of posts about massiv's collusion ring. Bunch of crooks and cheaters.

Some players are reporting that certain ClubGG poker clubs are filled with collusion and possible bot activity, with suspicious betting patterns, synchronized actions, and soft-playing that doesn’t look natural. While ClubGG’s rules say they ban bots and team play, many users still feel the security isn’t strong enough in some clubs. Overall, it’s a reminder to be careful, stick to trusted clubs, and watch for anything that feels off.

This article was sent to me because I actually run the club mentioned, and I honestly don’t even know where to start. Whoever wrote it clearly has no idea how a poker clubs works and definitely doesn’t understand online poker.

For context, Splash Pot has about 30 members total. On a normal week, maybe four or five people play. We are literally a micro club. I personally know or have spoken directly with every member we’ve ever had, except one guy on the West Coast who joined through a friend. Our average weekly buy-in is around 50 bucks, maybe 100. Sometimes someone takes a shot at bigger stakes, but it’s rare. When I say a handful of players, I actually mean four people playing small-stakes cash or a random 22 dollar tournament. We don’t even have enough people to “collude” if we wanted to.

I don’t know who wrote the article, but based on what was said, it’s obvious they think our club has 135,000+ players and we manage all of them. The reality is we’re one tiny club inside a union of 300 plus clubs. That’s how the platform works.

Now let’s go through a few claims from the article..

“Rapid fold chains when one specific player raises.”
Anyone who has played online knows people click the pre-fold button all the time, especially if they’re multi-tabling. This is not some smoking gun for bots.

“Coordinated betting that only makes sense if players are sharing hole cards.”
Maybe possible in huge bomb pots or PLO5, but it would require players to expose their hands at showdown. Anyone who plays higher stakes would spot that instantly. Our players are buying in for 50 bucks.

“Players soft-playing each other in multi-way pots.”
Our tournaments barely have two people from our club in the same field, so I don’t even know what they’re referring to. If they're talking about cash games, they'd have a shard bankroll, why would they "soft-play". They're just using poker terms without knowing real context.

The most absurd part is the claim that during a demo call with a bot salesmen, the writer saw a spreadsheet on a desk with our club ID on it. The club with four active players, playing micro stakes?.. It’s painfully obvious they didn’t even realize they were in a union, and maybe the “miraculous bot spreadsheet” made sense to them if they thought our club had 130,000+ members. Plot twist: we have four players, buddy.

Look, anything is possible in online poker. Bots exist. Collusion exists. I’m not say thats impossible. But throwing out accusations without proof or even understanding how clubs and unions work is ridiculous. And the idea that our 30-person club is running some organized bot ring aimed at your 50 dollar buy-in, in what planet does this make sense to you?

Listen, anyone who has run a club knows we want our players to win. It keeps them around longer and makes our lives easier. What we don’t want are tilted players whining, texting or calling us at 3am about how good they are and how they can’t believe they lost because of blah blah..

I hate to shatter the glass of reality but.. you lost, probably because your not as good as you think or.. plot twist, variance is real.
I’m not immune either, I just don’t go writing crazy stories when I lose.

I still genuinely can’t believe someone we know might have written this article, but whoever you are and whatever your motivation was, I’m glad you’re no longer a member. Happy to never have you in our club again. And to anyone reading this, don’t believe everything you see on the internet, what a joke.

That’s a fair perspective. The union is 300 plus clubs and we have zero control over how they handle rake, game selection, or anything on their end. When I say I want our small group of players to win, I genuinely mean it. For a club our size, it it allows players to grind, we don't have to keep searching for new players, and saves us a ton of headaches on so many levels. I can’t speak for the bigger clubs, but that’s the reality for us.

The points you raised aren’t connected to the original poster’s complaints. The only lie in this whole situation is the nonsense claim that our tiny club was somehow tied to bots. That’s the part that’s just completely false.

There will always be people trying to collude, play with assistance, etc., and even for major poker sites with algorithms and policies it's hard to track, so with clubs and unions you have to be extra careful and pay attention to which ones are safe, for owners the same, they must pay attention but ultimately they are fighting a battle they can't win, the scammers will always outnumber them by multiple factors of 10

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