Nicholas J. Fuentes, Candace Owens, and other Right Wing Grifters

I think its worth looking into how and why a blackmail pedophile ring operated at the highest levels of government. and how and why the world just watched the Israelis incinerate 10s of thousands of children with glee and are now being rewarded for it by International Law.

its alos worth looking into why people like yourself support such things. where did the indoctrination and propaganda come from and why was it so effective.

the fact is that the far right and the far left have a worldview that is much closer to reality than the liberals.

This post deserves a 'sticky' imo.

I don't personally think antisemites of any political stripe have a worldview "closer to reality" than liberals.

And I ain't no liberal.

Ah yes, remember when liberals were mocked mercilessly for horseshoe theory?

Your version of morality has you supporting Nasrallah, Hamas, and October 7th, I’m not going to take lectures on morality from you. Handing it to the far right that wants to gas jews isn’t exactly making you look like the paragon of moral virtue.

I think the issue there is that even in a post-Fuentes world, a lot of people seem oblivious to how many mini Fuenteses actually exist.

You could definitely argue that Nick will pull new people into his orbit, but if the Stormfront level crowds started podcasting and building their own influencers, Nick would look pretty mild by comparison - and it wouldn’t create any impression that Zionists were behind them.

It seems like we are going through some parody phase where Nick has become some fictionalized character of entertainment which is probably assisted in part of what social media creates, or more importantly i guess, what they ban. The times seem a bit off to me, tbh.

Deuces, lets go back to talking 911 and bld #7, that is a lot more interesting than talking nazis.

my point was more broad than just how someone considers Israel. for instance, QAAnoners are close to reality than liberals considering what we have learned from the Epstein leaks.

the point is that in general liberals uncritically believe anything the Dem government and Dem mainstream media says. at least the far right are sometime able to look outside the bubble.

what have we learned from the epstein leaks that wasn’t already championed by liberals in the metoo era? Who exactly is responsible for women being able to come forward and share their stories of powerful men raping them? Was it qanoners or liberals?

Your view of reality is distorted by your hatred of the democratic party.

yes I support the people who oppose mass slaughter of children. you support the murders so long as they are white or Jewish. I do think its worth looking into how you and many like you became so radicalized.

we learned that a cabal of pedophile sex trafficking blackmailers are installed at the highest levels of Western institutions and even involve the president.

You support terrorists who killed hundreds of thousands of children you liar. Syrian civil war, Houthis doing terrorism for power and letting children starve. You love terrorists and then oppose anyone trying to fight them, then blame the other country for fighting them when kids die. You’re a sick freak with no morals.

Really? Where did we learn this? You think that wildly connecting dots with minimal evidence and maximal credulity is the same as establishing things to be the case?

I'm neither of those. I'm sorry your world is crashing down, Trolly. You're halfway bright. Often the problem with you halfway bright people is you learn too well what you're taught. You never question what you're taught because you so want to get the right answer. You don't realize the "right answer" is just what gets you a reward for a behavior, like when an seal at Sea World gets a fish for doing a flip. You think the "right answers" are the truth. But they aren't and there can be consequences to thinking they are.

I wonder what someone like you thinks when you read the Epstein docs. There is nowhere for you to file them and you can't build a place to file it without cracking the foundations of your ego. I suppose you don't read them. You are so deeply invested in a world that now so obviously does not exist. You don't have the right answers anymore. I joked about feeling like Tommy Lee Jones at the end of No Country for Old Men. But you really are that already.

The irony.

This mindset never sees things clearly. Far Left Marxists want more equity for workers. That's about it, really. The far Right wants more Holocaust against ethnic groups. You shouldn't lump these people together just because they both hold minority or marginalized opinions. We know what a Holocaust is. Maybe not really but we've seen pictures. That's what the extreme Right wants.

We've only briefly seen what happens when workers work together to improve work conditions. We glimpsed it in the 50s and 60s it was nice. Don't act like people who want meta controls on businesses and for workers to own their companies are the same as people who want to butcher the world population and take their stuff.

Aren't we sick of that kind of laziness of analysis yet?

Karl Marx himself was a rabid antisemite.

It might make you sick to your stomach, but you might want to try reading Marx 1844 essay, On the Jewish Question.

The eradication of Judaism was a major part of his proposed economic revolution.

Are these people in the room with us?

As I've said before, I think lefties are too broad to be assigned like this but pretty much anyone considered "far left"..."marx" has gone off about abolishing markets, offing the heads of corporations, with some demanding the removal of money, vehicles, forced labor (no i'm serious) and a load of really other idiotic and contradictory things that couldn't work and would make life worse for the bottom 90% if it magically did.

Even if they genuinely want to help people, you could argue that some of them have a pretty wild imagination about how they think they can accomplish it.

But I do believe that some of them do in fact want just that. But as always, its each to their own, and not a group.

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See, this here is the Deuces we all know and love. More of this and less "The Jews are behind it," please.

That's false. In fact the conflation of socialism/communism with Judaism was the driving force behind Germany's pogroms against the Jews of Europe and Russia circa WWII. What Hitler was really against was socialism and communism. He genuinely thought Jews were going to unleash these systems on the Germany and the world. He thought Jews had taken over Russia.

The term "cultural Marxism" that the Right throws around today was coined by the Nazis in their attempts to demonize Jews. More often they used the word Bolshevism instead of Marxism.

You can't have it both ways. Marx was of Jewish ancestry, and while the absolute conflation the Nazis held as a founding truth was a lie, there were many prominent Jewish thought leaders who led Marxist movements and revolutions. Neither Marx himself or the socialist and communist movements of the previous century were antisemitic and those movements aren't antisemitic now.

At no point in time, going back a decade posting in the I/P thread, have I ever blamed "The Jews" for anything. You really should be banned for saying otherwise. You are just a total lying piece of crap making totally false allegations because I'm coming up right about everything and you look like the superficial twit you've always been.

What's false? Are you denying that Marx was a rabid antisemite? Did you read the essay I referenced ("On the Jewish Question")? Are you denying that a big part of Marx economic revolution was the eradication of Judaism? It's all in his essay.

That's part of Trolly schtick. (But not as common as it used to be.)

Jeez, the delusion in this guy....but I am not allowed to comment someone's mental health, no matter how serious the situation...

I think it can be true that both Marx and Hitler viewed themselves as fighting against the Jews, despite otherwise having incompatible worldviews. Same as Islamofascists and "anti-Zionists" of today.

I completely agree with this.

On his last podcast Fuentes gave his opinion of what a US Middle Eastern policy should be. And his suggestion was basically restrain Israel and break bread with Iran.

Of course he doesn't realize that that is exactly what Obama tried, and it was a disaster. Because Obama (and apparently Fuentes) are under the false impression the IRI just wants to make peace and get along in a ME that includes Israel and US influence, and Israel is the problem. When reality is more or less the opposite. The IRI's main reason for existence is to remove US influence from the ME and destroy Israel, and has not wavered on that at all in the last 45 years.

When Obama gave them the leash, the IRI intentionally destabilized 4 Arab countries (Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon) in pursuit of their revolutionary goals, and made Gaza a surrogate. And the second Bibi was given leverage to push back their influence, those countries are immediately starting to get better. The Middle East really needs less IRI influence, not more.

For all his insights, Fuentes's theory of mind of the IRI and its objectives is very poor.