Commandments YOU would add to the ten
Imagine you could add a commandment to the original ten commandments, e.g. just like an amendment to the US constitution. What would you choose?
Mine: "You shall not profit from suffering"
Imagine you could add a commandment to the original ten commandments, e.g. just like an amendment to the US constitution. What would you choose?
Mine: "You shall not profit from suffering"
I like that.
How about a commandment to protect children ?
The ten commandments are filled with notions of vertical obedience in a singular direction. Humans honoring God and children honoring their parents. There's nothing in there that speaks to child abuse.
To the person above me... "it would be better for a person to be drowned with a heavy millstone around their neck than to cause one of these "little ones" who believe in Jesus to stumble or sin"... Pope Francis said there might not be any coming back from it. That's a huge thing for a Pontiff to say.
Thall shall not have mandatory celibate priests who are perverts and a culture of protection around them who are not perverts willing to cover it up and sanction it.
no slaves
no raping
no abusing children
you know, the stuff that should've been in there in the first place
no slaves
no raping
no abusing children
you know, the stuff that should've been in there in the first place
Chattel slavery is condemned by the 8th Commandment: Thou shalt not steal. -Exodus 20:15
And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. -Exodus 21:16
Chattel slavery is condemned by the 8th Commandment: Thou shalt not steal. -Exodus 20:15
And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. -Exodus 21:16
This is referring to the stealing of slaves. How else can you steal something that isn't property? A man slave is property, somebody else steals him and sells him ... that's where Jehovah takes offense. Not the owning people, the stealing and selling them much akin to horse theiving.
Once someone grows the independence to say, "Yeah, there was a lot of evil stuff going on then and they and put in that book claiming god was behind it all" ... then you have a non-apologist.
The text would certainly include the stealing of slaves, but wouldn't necessarily be limited to them.
How else can you steal something that isn't property?
Stealing isn't limited to property. "Bob stole my girlfriend," "The runner stole third base," "Betty stole my heart the first time I met her", etc..etc...
An actual Biblical example:
Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first. -Matthew 27:64
A man slave is property, somebody else steals him and sells him ... that's where Jehovah takes offense. Not the owning people, the stealing and selling them much akin to horse theiving.
This part is sorta correct as far as it goes.
Once someone grows the independence to say, "Yeah, there was a lot of evil stuff going on then and they and put in that book claiming god was behind it all" ... then you have a non-apologist.
By what absolute, knowable, unchanging, universal standard of righteousness is slavery (or anything else) evil?
1. Rape is typically preceded by lust, which violates the Seventh Commandment: Thou shalt not commit adultery. -Exodus 20:14
Hear the Words of Jesus Christ:
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
- Matthew 5:27-28
2. 'Child abuse' is a rather vague term. There are Scriptures about not provoking your children to anger, for example:
Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. -Colossians 3:21
Most (if not all) forms of so-called child abuse would certainly cause the child to be angry and discouraged.
That said, I myself don't see condemnation of 'child abuse ' as such as specifically deducible or implied from any of the Ten Commandments.
1. Rape is typically preceded by lust, which violates the Seventh Commandment: Thou shalt not commit adultery. -Exodus 20:14Hear the Words of Jesus Christ:Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.- Matthew 5:27
I was debating posting something like this myself and feel a coward that you got there first. Bravo.
Yes, rape and CSA are well-covered under the commandment of adultery.
The rape of one's own wife was condemned as far back as St. Jerome and the Vulgate.
For real, no judgement for you guys not knowing this stuff. I didn't.
The secular world has watered down the commandments and their meaning so much, people forget how rich they actually are.
Also never forget the two commandments Jesus left personally:
1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all yoursoul, all your mind.
2. Love thy neighbour as yourself.
Staying with the Constitution analogy, that's a good way to put it.
The Ten Commandments are not now nor were ever intended by God to be a comprehensive list of every possible sin.
Jesus himself distilled the entirety of the Law (and not just the Ten Commandments) into just two:
Hear the Words of Jesus as recorded in Matthew 22:37-40:
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
I was debating posting something like this myself and feel a coward that you got there first. Bravo.Yes, rape and CSA are well-covered under the commandment of adultery.The rape of one's own wife was condemned as far back as St. Jerome and the Vulgate.For real, no judgement for you guys not knowing this stuff. I didn't.The secular world has watered down the commandments and the
All very well said.
Also never forget the two commandments Jesus left personally:
1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all yoursoul, all your mind.
2. Love thy neighbour as yourself.
You beat me to it! (I made my latest post before reading yours.)
The Ten Commandments are not now nor were ever intended by God to be a comprehensive list of every possible sin.
Should have said so in the preamble! 😡
The text would certainly include the stealing of slaves, but wouldn't necessarily be limited to them.Stealing isn't limited to property. "Bob stole my girlfriend," "The runner stole third base," "Betty stole my heart the first time I met her", etc..etc...An actual Biblical example:
There is no "absolute, knowable, unchanging universal standard of righteousness" ... including any of the thousands of make-believe gods dreamed up by ancient superstitious man. So the standard we are left with is fashioning it ourselves based on human rights. And if slavery doesn't go against your standard of human rights, then congratulations, you have totally forfeited your mind and your morality to ancient, barbarically immoral standards.
Yeah and so Exodus 20:15 is about such things as stealing a girl friend or stealing second base ... and then selling that upon penalty of death. That's just LOL if it wasn't so deceptive and pitifully dishonest. Maybe selling second base, huh?
The lying to defend scriptures is the abomination.
There is no "absolute, knowable, unchanging universal standard of righteousness" ... including any of the thousands of make-believe gods dreamed up by ancient superstitious man. So the standard we are left with is fashioning it ourselves based on human rights. And if slavery doesn't go against your standard of human rights, then congratulations, you have totally forfeited your
How could you possibly make such a claim without having exhaustive knowledge of the entire universe?
Or, to put it another way, you could only know that there is no absolute, knowable, unchanging universal standard of righteousness if you yourself were God.
There is no "absolute, knowable, unchanging universal standard of righteousness" ... including any of the thousands of make-believe gods dreamed up by ancient superstitious man. So the standard we are left with is fashioning it ourselves based on human rights. And if slavery doesn't go against your standard of human rights, then congratulations, you have totally forfeited your
Who or what bestowed those rights upon humans?
And if it was 'humans' who bestowed those rights on themselves, how would they know if they were the right ones? Which humans decide what human rights are? The NAACP? The KKK? The Major League Baseball Player's Association? The Vatican? Hamas? Vladimir Putin? Bernie Sanders? The Oxford University Philosophy Department?
Who or what bestowed those rights upon humans?
And if it was 'humans' who bestowed those rights on themselves, how would they know if they were the right ones? Which humans decide what human rights are? The NAACP? The KKK? The Major League Baseball Player's Association? The Vatican? Hamas? Vladimir Putin? Bernie Sanders? The Oxford University Philosophy Department?
A perfect system of morality is not handed to human beings any more than a perfect system of medicine, chemistry, cosmology, physics, biology, geology, meteorology, etc. We have to learn all of them. No one is handing out perfect systems of anything, but when true believers mull morality, they insist on exactly that and just can't see what the problem with that is.
A perfect system of morality is not handed to human beings any more than a perfect system of medicine, chemistry, cosmology, physics, biology, geology, meteorology, etc. We have to learn all of them. No one is handing out perfect systems of anything, but when true believers mull morality, they insist on exactly that and just can't see what the problem with that is.
The disciplines you listed are subject to the scientific method.
Are you claiming that folks can learn morality using the scientific method? And if so, how does one do so without committing the Naturalistic Fallacy?
The disciplines you listed are subject to the scientific method.
Are you claiming that folks can learn morality using the scientific method? And if so, how does one do so without committing the Naturalistic Fallacy?
What is kind, loving, fair, respectful, beneficial, honest, etc. is a good starting point for morality. Are you saying that since science can't establish morality to the objective, demonstrable truth of some sciences, therefore there must be a god who is the arbiter and disseminator of it??
Because I think you are doing that. It's a blind spot in which you smuggle in god, you know? Well there must be one. You just insist that there must be a supernatural with zero justification. It's dogma. It's doctrine. It's part of a magic story just presumed to be true and defensible simply by virtue of, "Like duh obvious there must be a source of perfect morality" type thinking.
You know the naturalistic fallacy is one thing, but the supernaturalistic fantasy/fallacy is a joke compared to it.
We have a real fruitful discussion here! 😀 I took the liberty to make a rap battle with the cliffs:
...but maybe we could appeal to the Lord to amend the commandments with a Cantata! 😀
