The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

Education wise not at all .

Go you smoke and collect welfare checks?

The price of hot tubs I swear doubled as well . I still remember everyone in the building industry thought they were screwed but all had record years because of home improvements and renovations . No shut down off the trades because of Covid

good one lmao.

Just lmao at shifty trying pathetically to treat this as some counterpoint to carbon taxes effect on supply and demand

Weird take. Trudeau got a pipeline approved and built. Why don’t think Carney either doesn’t want to or won’t do it? Like sure this is super early stages and many years long process but my read is he wants it done.

Shifty smoke not me .
Let’s just say I pay a lot more tax then what I receive from the government…

Trudeau had no choice as all the private sector folks pulled out due to Trudeaus anti oil policies and the hurdles they faced . It ended up costing triple the budget as well

Carney knows as long as the current premier Eby is there it will never happen as well as corrupt indigenous groups

Let me add Eby has said he is open to increasing capacity on TMX . I am not sure if this is viable if there is enough room for the tanker traffic but building another pipeline along this route makes sense

Trudeau bought and built a pipeline for Alberta. How on earth can you say he is “anti-oil”??????????? Don’t production skyrocket to record highs under him??????????

Eby doesn’t have a veto. You are acting like he has the power to unilaterally stop this, but jurisdictionally he doesn’t. And why are you calling indigenous groups who might oppose it corrupt? If they oppose it they don’t get a penny. Maybe you can label them corrupt if they take a payout and approve it, but for opposing it what exactly is their corruption?

So weird.

Look up Tanker Ban . I love oil but banning the way you get it to markets

AS in corrupt the ones that oppose it usually no were near were its going to passing through and the others take a cash grab that never sees the folks in the group and ends up in the leaders pocket. Kinda of like government

See Frog Lake recent ruling

Eby has power just as Quebec has the power to say no

How did the carbon tax influence Canadian consumer choices? Demand increased, domestically produced crude oil consumption stayed the same while natural gas increased. Again, if the carbon tax had any impact on consumption the price would have dropped so it was consumed. Sure a trivial amount of fuel prices are tied to global oil prices, but they still vary to region and supplier.

I'm not arguing supply and demand theory moron. I'm arguing that regardless of energy prices if it's produced it gets consumed, production increased under the carbon tax so how did it work great?

It's not "some trivial amount", energy is a requirement for survival, with out it people die and the amount continues to increase. Which is why if it's produced it's consumed..

Free market isn't the government taxing something in an attempt to make it used less. If people have to wear winter clothing in the comfort of their own home because of government policy then it's a failure. How is this even debatable?

It takes around 10 barrels of oil to manufacturer a hot tub, then transportation, concrete pad, electrical cables and for 6-7 months of the year reliable power supply. So for every person that's willing to freeze themselves and wear long John's to bed because of the carbon tax, hot tub installations sky rocketed under the carbon tax.

Taxpayers bought the pipeline, not Trudeau. Nothing like being the cause of the problem then claiming you solved the problem using other people's money.

The reality is Canada is abundant with natural resources whether its Oil, NG , Gold and other minerals . We should be a rich nation embracing all these resources like other nations with these resources yet were a debt ridden country with a horrible healthcare system

100% fact. Absolute joke of a country considering the natural resources we're sitting on. Should be like Norway instead we're becoming a third world country. QoL plummeting, somehow over 16% of the Canadian population doesn't have a family doctor, don't get me started about ER wait times and the homelessness crisis just keeps getting worse.

But hey, Canadians get what they vote for. Somehow after destroying Ontario, Ford gets re-elected. 10 years of pure destruction under Trudeau and we vote in a Liberal government again.

Lol what does the reason matter? While you were wearing mittens in your house because of the carbon tax other people were installing hot tubs.

LMAO. Thanks for that clarification buddy! Ya I totally was implying Trudeau literally bought with his own personal money, thank goodness we have you to correct me!

LMAO

LMAO. My bro just has zero idea how basic economics works. Increasing price obviously puts downward pressure on demand. That other events like a pandemic that lead to people staying at home more (and thus wanting hot tubs) doesn't dispute this. LMAO.

Right. I'm sure what you meant to say was:

Due to gross incompetence Trudeau was forced to use taxpayer money to finish a pipeline.

ALL ABOARD THE FAIL BOAT!!!

Lol, how are you still this utterly and totally confused about the difference between relative and absolute effects. If you compare apples to apples - all else held the same - then increasing the cost lowers consumption. But as the global situation evolves, you don't get everything else held the same. Following? So for instance, some people might buy hot tubs due to a global pandemic keeping them at home that is a situation CHANGING and that doesn't disprove the central economic fact that as you raise prices you lower consumption. Got it???

And no, it isn't a "trivial amount" that is died to global prices. Yes there is regional variation. But it isn't like something "trivial" like less than 10% of the cost is determined based on regional variation - to a first approximation the price of gas in random ass town is following the up/downs of the larger energy market.

LMAO

True. Your second statement is so blatantly idiotic that yes you can't be talking about supply and demand theory. Perhaps some bizarro-world faux economic theory? Back here in reality, no, consumption is not "regardless of prices". When prices go up people consume it less. But go ahead, try selling a barrel of oil for, say, 10 times the market price and see if it sells "regardless of energy prices". Hold on, did you have to drop the price of it back down to sell it? So not "regardless of energy prices"???

LMAO.

I'm not sure which is worse, your economics, or your ability to follow a conversation. I said energy was a good and follows the same rules of supply and demand that any good follows. THat's 100% objectively true. You've been going off on this irrelevant tangent about how it needed for survival which isn't disagreed upon - indeed the carbon tax is a net winner to the poorest people who struggle for survivor because of debates - but entirely irrelevant as it doesn't falsify the economic reality that it is an economic good.

It's hilarious seeing you repeat points that just demonstrate your economic ineptitude like they are good points. This is a irrelevant transition effect. Yes if anyone makes anything, if they have made it they will eventually lower the price enough until they can sell it. So what? You say this like it is some disproof of the basic fact that as you increase the price of a good, people consume less of it.

Just embarrassing top to bottom.

Well of course he could have not bought it and let it die. He wasn't forced. If he did this, then you guys could rightly claim he was anti-oil. But since he DID buy it (no not him personally obviously obviously ****ing obviously why do I need to clarify this obvious stuff for you), and since he DID successfully get it built and it is IS working as of right now with record oil - the whole claim of him being anti-oil seems to fall apart.

Huh?

He said he lowers the temperature of his house by 1.5C and wears a snuggie blanket and by doing that claimed the carbon tax worked. I pointed out that while he was doing that tub installations sky rocketed off-setting the amount of carbon he used, so how is that an example of it working?

LMAO. It is genuinely hilarious how bad you are at basic economics.

Basic Principle: When the price of something goes up, people buy less of it - ALL ELSE HELD EQUAL.

So for instance, the price going up making people worried about the cost of heating their home and maybe ticking the thermostat down a couple degrees is completely expected behaviour. Not everyone does this, but over the size of the market, price goes up consumption goes down.

HOWEVER sometimes things are not all held equal, like when a global pandemic happens and shifts behaviour so people want hot tubs as they are staying at home. That doesn't disprove the economic principle. Got it?????

LOL

Yeah we're truly ****ed as a nation when people like you can vote. After 4 pages of never ending stupidity the best you can come up with is ''hot tub installations went up DURING a pandemic therefore carbon tax didn't work''.

What the **** am I even reading here?