1/3 - Do I call River spot?
1/3 - Do I call River spot?

1/3 - Do I call River spot?

Villain is new to the table and I’d never seen him play in the room before. He was playing relatively tight in the hour prior.

Playing Live 1/3 NLHE.

Hero is BB, Villain is BTN.

BB with 8h7h. 3 limpers until BTN raises to 25. I call, 2 limpers call. Pot is ~100.

Flop comes 832r

I donk for 40, only BTN calls. Pot is ~180.

Turn comes 2x. I check, BTN bets 100. I call. Pot is ~380

River comes 3x. I check, BTN shoves for ~250.

What do you do?

I think there are a lot of bluffs here that maybe are taking advantage of perceived weakness after I donk/check?

But also double bareling for 350 total is pretty strong.

Thoughts on this hand?

25 November 2025 at 03:33 PM
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Fold pre. You're out of position and facing a big open, 78s is very speculative. Also you're not closing the action, there's also a risk of the limpers squeezing behind.

Flop is a check and evaluate not a donk.
Turn might be a fold, you're really bluff catching at this point.

So mistakes were made from previous streets and it piles up, turning small mistakes into bigger mistakes.

If you were going to bluff catch, the river is a blank. I guess we can bluff catch the whole way and stick with whatever read you had for bluff catching???

Do we beat value? We beat 0 value, we only beat bluffs.
Are they capable? You dunno!
Did we gave them rope? No, we donked out flop repping our hand exactly.
Is size significant? Yes, it's a significant size for 1/3
Do they have non showdown value? I guess the only non showdown hands villain has is random flop floats.

Villain is repping 88/quads, overpairs, A2, A3 type hands.
Though not too sure if live players can shove overpairs in such spot.
Anyhow, it seems every street is a fold maybe besides the flop. Flop donking multiway w/tpnk feels very risky. 1 pair hand in multiway pots are very weak. Big hand big pot, small hand small pots is normally the way to go.
Maybe call me a nit, but even if you turn trip 8s I wouldn't even want to play for stacks, unless I know villain by heart. lol


Fold pre, check flop, fold turn, fold river.

You’re making huge errors all over the place in this hand. He usually has overpairs.


At an effective stack of ~415 for 1/3, I don't think you're deep enough to call. Make it 600, and OK; have a read BU can fold, and maybe 3!, but more usually fold. But as noted, you don't close the action, and calling just sets 22 bucks on fire.

AP, you flop TP on a board where the best BU should have is an OP, and you're still stuck. I'd much rather you x-raised than donked here. Provided you know your V won't have OP-entitlement tilt and will fold to the x-raise or turn barrel. But again, we shouldn't be here.


Pre is raise or fold by the book. If you are very confident you will have a big post flop edge multiway you can call as you will have good position relative to the button and people raise the button a lot.

With the rake and all you should probably default to fold, and occasionally raise. Find some reason to raise. A tell. Player is abusing the button. You have a very tight image. Etc.

I don't mind the donk. This will be checked through a lot and few turns are good. I'd go slightly smaller and also do this with some monsters and some draws.

Having made a chunkier bet and been called, I'm a bit worried. However, I can see V calling with good overs.

When he bets 100 we are getting into player/game dependant territory. Against most people, I'm considering a fold. But, your outs are almost certainly good so that helps.

OTR. When you put the whole sequence together not that many people will bluff of their stack here. You can fold unless V is hyper aggressive.


Grunch:

PRE - we don't need to defend our BB with 87s, facing 3 limps and a BTN raise. Either 3B as a bluff, or fold. If you 3B, remember to fold if he 4B's you. And if you see a flop, pray you smash it.

FLOP - don't donk weak TP's into multiple opponents at low stakes. This won't end well. You're just going to be lost on later streets.

TURN/RIVER - honestly I don't know what to do because I'd never get there the way you did. I hate all our options.

The board-pairing 2 and 3 don't change anything, and are unlikely to have helped us.

BTN doesn't need to bluff much. He can have all the 99+. His unpaired over-cards can check back and win some sliver of the time, maybe. Most low stakes recs aren't going to call the flop and bluff twice with air.

Think the river is just a fold. If he shows a bluff, tell him he had the best hand.


Next time post stack sizes; looks like we're $415 effective.

Facing a huge 8x raise preflop, OOP, not insanely deep, and the first to react to the raise, my guess is that our continuing hands here should be a very small set. 8 high doesn't make the cut, imo.

Think I would mostly check the flop. If raiser bets into the world I think we have an easy fold. I guess some merit in donking smallish since we may be good and are simply trying to protect a vulnerable TP against overs, but not convinced that's better than just seeing what everyone else does and hoping for a clean turn. This is one of the many disadvantages of playing OOP.

By the turn we're hoping our tight opponent who hasn't done anything in the last hour floated the flop with overcards against someone who donked into the world and is now bluffing the turn. That doesn't happen enough in my games, so I fold.

Two things on the river.

One, in general, they're not playing back at us. Guy has put in bets in all streets for gobs. 99% of players aren't capable of doing this as bluffs. So again I fold.

Having said that, most players also snap check back overpairs because they are MUBSy and hate that our 2x and 3x got there. So he kinda really is only repping the very limited combos of fullhouses. But I still fold.

GwholehandisquiteleakyversusatypicalLLSNLopponent,imoG


by ES2 m

But, your outs are almost certainly good so that helps.

FWIW, and not that it matters all that much, but if we're behind to an overpair on the turn (what our opponent is credibly repping), we have all of 2 outs (a 7 is no good cuz our opponent will have a bigger two pair thanks to the pair of twos on board).

Gnothatin',justsayin'G


by gobbledygeek m

FWIW, and not that it matters all that much, but if we're behind to an overpair on the turn (what our opponent is credibly repping), we have all of 2 outs (a 7 is no good cuz our opponent will have a bigger two pair thanks to the pair of twos on board).

Gnothatin',justsayin'G

You're right. I misread the HH.

I do think it matters quite a bit if we have/don't have an 8% chance of stacking V. If we are unsure of where we're at losing that possibility is a very good reason to let this one go.


fold or 3-bet pre


I'd fold pre.

You should ask yourself what any of your plays after the flop are accomplishing. You donk bet the flop for what purpose? And once you do, why are you check calling and giving up the initiative? Every PP over 88 is in villian's range as the PFR, with no reads at a 1/3 table if someone is opening for 25 I'd be cautiously expecting a strong hand, 99-AA and AK/AQ. I'd like the line better if you led strong on turn as there's way more sets in your range than his, and you'd be putting maximum pressure on hands like 99-JJ. Turn matters a lot if it brought potential backdoor flush IMO.

As played, getting 2.5 to 1 I don't think I'm calling river shove against an opponent that my only read after an hour is he's relatively tight. There's for sure certain spaz factor in a lot of 1/3 player's game, but I'd want to see evidence of that before hoping to snap off basically AK/AQ here that got frisky.

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