Bloofcatch with treeps?
1/3 NLHE 8 handed
Loose passive table on a Saturday night, lots of fish. Not much going on - we had 1k and lost a few hundred when our QT flopped K-J-Tr vs a fish's AA and we x/razed and ripped a blank turn. Now we have about 750$, BTN.
V1 - friendly fish that splashes a bit and is fairly standard. Sizing tell. Premium betting and raising range. Limp calls a lot. Winning tonight. Don't have many hours with him but he's been sfwd. LJ. 500$.
V2 - asian loose passive old man that starts his nights as an OMC until he loses then becomes a lot more loose passive and fishy and vpips a lot higher, currently in transition as he's recently lost a big hand. Stations very wide post. SB. 400$
V3 - terrible black guy. can barely understand the game, cant understand bomb pots yet. BB. 300$
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Two limps to V1 who opens 21, H sees K♠ T♠ and calls, V2 calls SB, V3 calls BB, 4-ways IP.
Flop 80 - A♠ K♣ Q♦
Checks to us and we check IP
Turn 80 - K♥
V2 check, V3 check, V1 bets 65, H calls, V2 calls, V3 fold.
River 275 - 5♣
V2 checks, V1 shoves 423$... V2 has roughly 300$ back and we cover.
23 Replies
Fold
Easy call if you hate money.
You say V1 is straightforward; if you believe your own reading this is an easy fold.
Concur on fold.
Anyone raise-folding to the 65?
Why in the world did we call preflop??
Surprised that no one else mentioned this. If the guy limps a lot and has a preflop sizing tell, then KTs seems like an extremely easy fold to $21. It actually seems like one of the nut worst hands to flat -- would rather have 76s or 44 in this spot.
As played, it's an easy fold. If he shows JJ afterwards, tap the table and say "Nice hand."
PRE - fold.
FLOP - bet small, like $20, to clean up some equity. Fold if anyone check-raises.
TURN - yeesh. I'd probably call, praying everyone else folds and he checks river. But we should probably just fold. Hard to see what we're beating here. Once V2 over-calls, I'm probably done with the it.
RIVER - fold.
Surprised that no one else mentioned this. If the guy limps a lot and has a preflop sizing tell, then KTs seems like an extremely easy fold to $21. It actually seems like one of the nut worst hands to flat -- would rather have 76s or 44 in this spot.
As played, it's an easy fold. If he shows JJ afterwards, tap the table and say "Nice hand."
If he shows JJ the "sfwd" read should be enough for a temp ban.
Preflop seems very loose against a telegraphed very strong range, no? Although I guess we're on the Button and will perhaps invite in some morans, but I fold here (but I'm a giant nit waiting for AA/KK).
Also checking the flop.
Honestly kinda hating life when this guy continues on the turn. He's betting JJ- with 3 overcards just cuz it checked twice, really? Mostly seems like a tarping monster, but I'm probably not good enough to fold yet (i.e. fold preflop). Almost praying I don't fill up on the river to tbh.
Seems like the most trivial of river folds unless your Banana reads are way off (70/30 chance of that, lol?). Would legit consider folding a T river to this action / player.
GcluelessNLnoobG
Looking at this again, I'm somewhat expecting to read V showed AQ.
If you called and won, nice hand, Señor Banana.
Result: We fold, V2 folds. V1 says he had TT later "I pushed because no one seemed interested" as he racks up his chips to leave.
Yeh I don't like the call pre - KTs against a strong range based on what you mentioned just ends up in RIO spots too often and doesn't flop well enough. If he has a premium raising range I'd just dump it
Time to adjust the reads again...
Worth noting that this is a top 5% runout for KTs and it's still not enough to hold on in this spot, even in position, even when you have the best hand. Good reminder of the importance of preflop.
I wonder if V was lying about his hand. It's possible, and seems as likely as jamming TT as a bluff.
You guys shouldn't care so much about Villain's comment after the hand about having pocket Tens and supposedly bluffing for XYZ random reason. He could easily be lying.
You guys shouldn't care so much about Villain's comment after the hand about having pocket Tens and supposedly bluffing for XYZ random reason. He could easily be lying.
Whether or not he had TT is relevant only with respect to "reads" going forward. The result of the hand is the same, which is that we made a significant preflop mistake versus this player and were roundly punished for it.
As I said in my first response here, river is clear fold. If had TT (or JJ or even AQ) then gg, but the vast majority of the time he turns up with the nuts.
Result: We fold, V2 folds. V1 says he had TT later "I pushed because no one seemed interested" as he racks up his chips to leave.
Have you ever said something similar when you didn't show? And were you ever not telling the truth?
Literally no one overshoves a showdownable underpair when multiple opponents who called the turn could simply be sitting there with slowplayed nuttish hands.
GcluelessfirstrodeonoobG
calling with KTs IP deep vs a guy I can outplay is never going to be -EV
