Preflop spot at big game
2/5 'mandatory' 10 'semi-mandatory' 20$ straddles UTG and UTG+1. NLHE.
Game is full of fish for this size at our room and
you guys are mental. V1 folds AQ- and maybe 99-TT to a shove and calls with AK and JJ+. Shoving accomplishes nothing.
It could still be profitable. You need 44.5% equity if V1 always called and V2 always folded, and AKo has 40% equity (against JJ+, AK). Once you add in all the times you pick up $200 uncontested it likely becomes +EV.
Edit: Fixed the numbers and clarified the range AK has 40% equity against.
you guys are mental. V1 folds AQ- and maybe 99-TT to a shove and calls with AK and JJ+. Shoving accomplishes nothing.
You can't think of everything in terms of value/bluffs on early streets, or at least your understanding of "bluffs" needs to be expanded to include all equity denial.
I mean, it's kinda confusing how you're not understanding it in this context because AKo IS behind 22-TT (both in terms of equity and what's currently ahead), so I guess say you're "bluffing" 22 if that makes you feel better?
there's a bit of schrodinger's holdem going on here; If we open the box by going allin pre we see QQ+. If we keep the box closed by just calling we see suited Ax/Kx and maybe 77+. Vs 6 players we actually need to see a flop because ace high has no showdown value without hitting multiway. Completely different story if it's vs a bunch of limps, CO iso and then we smack him in the face.
there's a bit of schrodinger's holdem going on here; If we open the box by going allin pre we see QQ+. If we keep the box closed by just calling we see suited Ax/Kx and maybe 77+. Vs 6 players we actually need to see a flop because ace high has no showdown value without hitting multiway. Completely different story if it's vs a bunch of limps, CO iso and then we smack him in the
Lol. Just no. Pretending AK plays well 6 ways is just hilarious.
there's a bit of schrodinger's holdem going on here; If we open the box by going allin pre we see QQ+. If we keep the box closed by just calling we see suited Ax/Kx and maybe 77+. Vs 6 players we actually need to see a flop because ace high has no showdown value without hitting multiway. Completely different story if it's vs a bunch of limps, CO iso and then we smack him in the
Bonus points for the Schrodinger reference.
About the hand...
Seems like jamming and folding are both about the same EV, depending on how much weight we put on our reads. I'd probably jam, but if the game is really good and I'm not prepared to re-buy, I might let it go.
Occasionally I might make what I assume is a slightly losing call, and evaluate on the flop. I think flatting is more okay when the original raiser hasn't shown a propensity for 4B'ing light and the first caller isn't likely to be going for a back raise. If the game's been a wild-west shoot-out, I wouldn't flat, and would be more likely to just fold.
This is exactly what happens. I keep trying to tell the grinders to stop turning what could be a very profitable 2/5 1500 cap into a 5/10 3k cap that only 4 or 5 people will comfortably play.The other thing that happens is the fish hit-and-run this game like they're driving on a suspended license... 🙄Result: I just decide there's no merit in calling, and shoving gets called a
If we go with the premise that the game is uncomfortably big for many of the players, and add in the evidence that one of the opponents in the hand claims he folded top pair, and the other claimes to have folded an over pair, I'd think that would be an indication that our pre-flop jam may have gotten through.
Even if not, and assuming we did get called by JJ or the guy who'd have flopped top pair, we were flipping with JJ and way ahead of TX pre, and we still would have had decent equity on the flop.
Well played by V.
You can't think of everything in terms of value/bluffs on early streets, or at least your understanding of "bluffs" needs to be expanded to include all equity denial.I mean, it's kinda confusing how you're not understanding it in this context because AKo IS behind 22-TT (both in terms of equity and what's currently ahead), so I guess say you're "bluffing" 22 if that makes you f
I was being coy, I understand equity denial lol
