British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
That is a strong claim not all Scottish nationalists are motivated by phobia though some individuals may express hostility.
It is important to look at specific actions and rhetoric rather than broad generalizations about any political group.
What the brexit debate should have been about. And need to be revisited. We need to share sovereignty as a committed full member of a democratic largely like minded friendly group that can stand up for itself.
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How would this have played out better if we had still been in the EU? Trump doesn't care about trade blocks, sovereignty, democracy or anything else. He only cares about what's in it for him personally.
Hence why he is prepared to sacrifice Ukraine for a meaningless peace prize.
Not the point you're making know, but I've got little sympathy with the BBC over this.
Short term who knows. It would have still been difficult but EU with a committed UK (instead of us all reeling from brexit) would have put all of us in a much better place to stand up to trump and putin and china and tech companies. Longer term the difference is huge. What future do we want? A genuine part of something or a bit part being pushed and pulled around by the whims of others.
Instead of lying about it not being sovereignty we needed to argue why we want to share sovereignty and have some vision for the world we want to be part of. The future's coming anyway and the big powers are going to shape it.
You make my case for why effectively choosing to be a flea on the usa horse was a very bad idea. Those who somehow couldn't see the juggernaut coming have hopefully noticed it running us over. Time to rethink
re the BBC. People, institutions and countries make mistakes. We want to be friends/partners with others who respond reasonably rather than those who seek to exploit it to the full. And it we can't resolve it diplomatically then we want good institutions to resolve it. Not at the mercy of such one sided political bullying wielding the lol usa justice system, tariffs and trade deals etc
That word 'democratic'. I don't think it means what you think it means, when you use it to discuss the EU.
It does. But that should have been part of what the debate was about.
It's a serious issue. Tony Benn had a strong point.
some things are best decided internationally, some nationally, some regional. The problem with the EU is it trying to wrestle, using all its powers of leverage and schmoozing dumb-ass national politicians, to get what should be regional and national-level democratic decisions into its non-democratic institutions, operating at the international level.
It's fundamentally problematic, and will remain so while it keeps an iron grip on the whole political/fiscal union push.
Let's be frank, the EU is not a friend really, it's more a 'friend in need' type of situation - it's friendly when it suits it, or it needs something.
Actually, probably more an enemy of my enemy type relationship.
I disagree. More annoyingly I'm confident we had a substantial majority who would have agreed if we had made the case. Plus some who would have gone least worst.
Oh I agree the 'remain' argument was terrible, but also, can't see how it could be significantly stronger because the fundamental case is weak. The upsides could have been argued for, but there were/are so very many downsides, it's always going to be argued on shaky ground.
The fundamental case is very strong. 'Shaky' depends how late you mean we started arguing it.
I agree that a hardline euroskeptic (one of tha bastards iirc) pivoting to lead the remain case was always going to be shaky ground although we were still favorites to win if we had bothered fighting. The failure is with the pro-EUers over many years.
After Hesletine which is a ****ing long time ago who did we have? Nick Clegg? at least he had a go but his main case vs farage was that the EU didn't really do anything.
This is the sort of headline that the likes of Dunyain aka kelhus99 use to whip up the idea that the UK is locking people up for sending out innocuous tweets:
and the world's most biased pollster gets in on the act
This is what was actually tweeted:
I don't care if no one saw it, if it was posted, that's a chargeable offence with that language imo.
Absolutely. And if they didn't deal with it promptly then twitter should be in the dock as well
This is the sort of headline that the likes of Dunyain aka kelhus99 use to whip up the idea that the UK is locking people up for sending innocuous tweets.
That did actually happen to Robin Hood Airport Man, in a case for which Sir Keir Starmer bore some responsibility as DPP. The man was acquitted on appeal. And Graham Linehan was lately arrested by a posse of armed cops at Heathrow for tweeting that women confronted by persistent predatory men should do what Queen Camilla did when young and hit them in the nuts. (Though Camilla went further and used a spike-heeled shoe.)
The police subsequently dropped the case against Linehan out of sheer embarrassment when it became known that the vexatious complainant, to whose orders they were jumping, was 'Lynsay Watson' (Alex Horwood), a disgraced and twice-sacked former police officer.
This is the sort of headline that the likes of Dunyain aka kelhus99 use to whip up the idea that the UK is locking people up for sending out innocuous tweets:and the world's most biased pollster gets in on the actThis is what was actually tweeted:
Lol. That's defo gonna get you some porridge. His chav/football hooligan style leering probably didn't help him either. Daily mail look thick trying to brush this off as mere "anti immigration" tweets, he couldn't have been more specific in intent.
Daily Mail knows that once the outrage has been activated most of its readers won't scroll down far enough to read what he actually posted.
People assigning stupidity when they should be assigning clever and bad is part of how we got into this mess.
Another U-turn by this truly awful government, this time on inheritance tax for farmers.
They have now dipped below the Tories thanks to the left wing of their vote defecting to the Greens, although in reality many will back Labour in a GE if it means keeping Reform/Tories out.
With those two it's basically a dick measuring contest about who hates Jews/loves Putin the most, and IDK who wins tbh.
The UK has become an open joke. In the past public figures and politicians used to hide their corruption behind a policy mask, but now they parade it out in the open and no one seems to give a fukk.
That people will be throw in jail for inciting violence? I'm pretty sure everyone in this thread who's actually from the UK was well aware of that thank you very much and entirely agrees with it (at least as it was applied in this instance).
