Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Sorry was Ts not Js

was a Ts

i am deeply ashamed of myself that reraised - which was basically a min click - i did so more because i was worried about getting blasted off on the river and "wanted to realize my equity"

the guy calls with AA no spade and gets a clean river

wild one last night at about 2:30 am

i've had a very up and down session and currently about 800 deep

i've already grabbed two racks and am racking up and dealer asks if i'm leaving now or playing until the blinds and i let him know i'm there until the blinds so everyone knows exactly when i'm leaving

i'm utg and look down at 99 - find it funny because i've been straddling all night and this time i have a great straddle hand but didn't because i wanted a clean exit

i make it 10

mp who is a middle aged sea guy pops it to 30, he just reloaded to 100, a few hands earlier i made it 20 vs a bunch of limpers with A9o from the btn and he blind shoved 100 from the bb and i called and took it down so he's very much steaming and trying to do what he can to rebuild - he got felted at another table about an hour ago and while heading out the door decided to just sit down in an open seat with us and try again at our table - he's down at least 4-5 mini buyins at our table so i know he's super wide here

folds around to the bb who is a mawg who seems to have a good grasp of the game but is seriously tilting, he's been outdrawn on in several all ins and losing big pots in a very tilting manner like flopping top two and getting it in vs a flush draw which misses the flush but hits runner runner trips etc - he's recently doubled up but still stuck well over 1k and sits at about 600

we're in washington state so it's 300 max bet and 3 bets max per street - this plays a big role in this hand

so it folds to mp who makes it 30 with about 60ish behind and the bb calls

normally, i'd consider a min click here to induce the mp to shove, putting bb who is capped in a tricky spot where i have the option to then repop it which is great either way as then i get a lot of dead money in a flip or get the much bigger stack to likely get it in bad against me

but we're in washington, it's already been raised twice - in fact, quite often the bb here would have min raised to 50 instead of calling the 30 just so he can protect himself against me 4! as it would have been capped - but he's not thinking about that common play here because he's steaming and/or thinks i'm just mucking about since it's my last hand

mp snap calls as everyone expected and bb goes deep into the tank - keeps on saying "you're trying to iso" and after a minute of grumbling to himself he puts in the call with about 240ish behind

flop comes Q85r - looks about as clean as you can ask for so i snap call his expected flop shove

i flip over 99, he flips over QJo

turn is a 9, fade a T on the river which was a 7, scoop everything and have to go get a third rack now - turns out the mp had AA so it was quite a suckout for me

So difficult to follow that hand Rick

hero covers makes it 10 with 99 utg

mp maniac with 90ish makes it 30

tilted badreg in bb with 575ish calls 30

i make it 330, max allowable and no further bets are allowed - both call

bb shoves 240ish on Q58r flop i call

goes 9 and 7

my 99 cracks AA and QJ

more just an interesting moment rather than a real hh or question

Other than me obviously limping in preflop, I think (?) I play it the same way?

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I’d river the set - far more effective

But you're a better player than me.

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5/10 ep open to $35 from a grinder type and a flat I AcAh $150 $2.2 k eff only original raiser calls.

(340): 552ss. X, $125, call.

$590: Qd. X/$425, call.

River (1440) 2h. X…we jam. Wwyd?

it's a tough one, on principle i don't ever like trying to get 3 streets of value with just an overpair and would often check back the river on most boards

but i think with this board we are ok with jamming as it puts a lot of pocket pairs in difficult situations, any Qx and outside of some A5s/A2s we basically have the nuts

You are in position, right?

Assume we should bet less on the flop, esp. so without the As, and more on the turn so river is closer to pot shove.

Only real problems are QQ/55/22 and maybe A5s, and assuming you can bluff he's probably calling too much on this board.

What’s his calling range to a jam? KK only? Assuming he flats that to the 3 bet which…oop I doubt?

He’s surely not calling a river jam with 66-JJ?

Does he get to the turn with AQ, surely not KQ other than AQss and KQss?

Idk, maybe it’s missing fat value and we’d hate to see him turnover KK but I worry that by the river he has more combos that will call a bet that will beat us than that we beat

can't speak much for 5/10 in usa but at 1/3 you're going to get a lot of "i put you on AK' type of situations where hands like JJ call

5/10 grinder type opens 3.5bb from EP and calls a squeeze, can you name the combos that beat us?

Should I make this seemingly superweek fold?

5/t. Main V is probably a pro, but seems on the tight side over a few hours. Certainly thinks about ranges clearly.

Hero opens AA to 40 utg +1 as there is some dead money.

MV calls in MP. V2 is loose but decent and calls otb. 3 ways to flop.

KJ7 rainbow.

H bets 70. Mv makes it 260. V2 folds. H calls.

Turn blank. check, v bets $400.

My thinking is, this guy knows i can have every set, kj, AK, kq, AA. Is there a realistic chance he is either bluffing or value betting worse? Add to that, he was unafraid of the guy behind him.

What are effective stacks?

Would assume V has all 3 combos. of 77, at least some JJ and AK and at least both combos. of KJs.

Main question is how wide you think he's calling pre. and how often he's just blasting off with QT?

Feels weird from both sides. Like yeh, he should know you have a lot of good one pair hands here and _can_ have top set ... but how often does he think you call it off with AA/AK, vs. fold at some point? Because with a rainbow board the best draws he has are 3 combos. of QT with BDFD, and he should know that right?
So IMO he either thinks you'll call it off with one pair, and he beats that ... or he thinks you'll fold one pair and has loaded the gun to blast it off.

Default logic (esp. after people post for advice) is that it's much easier to see 77 on the flop, not think about ranges much and start piling chips in.

But obvious caution that if he's seemed tight because he's been card dead and then looked down at T9s and thought this hand was playable so he's going to start blasting, folding is obviously terrible.

Not sure how long you took to call flop, but my guess is you should think about it a lot because getting raised on this board likely means you are looking at three barrels.

About 1600 effective, should have mentioned that. Important cuz it seems like he wants to wind up with an all in

I did think a bit otf.

I think his line makes SOME sense if he slow played AK pre. But he did 3! Several times . he was tight but not passive.

Lots of aces and kings gone. It is also kind of an overplay. You are going to get stacked vs kj, etc. You might win the minimum against kts. You prevent bluffs. You get the 3rd player to fold worse kings and he sometimes has you crushed.

Also interesting is would I rather have AK and block KJ. Or have AA with more equity when beat. (I think AA).

I'm a middle aged guy who looks like a tourist.

guys saw this on reddit.

thoughts?

trivial call or fold?

Trivial call.

hero said he felt it was a flush so he folded

just interesting most people say its an easy call since hero showed wekaness 100% of hte way so its a call if ure not betting snapping river

Trivial fold pre. ... I see people do min. 3bets with AA a stupid amount. Even if he's wider, KQs still sucks. V needs to be very wide for value and/or bluff 3betting (like 3bet KTs around the same amount as GTO).

Would shrug call river and hope he has AA/QQ and not TT. Wouldn't expect flushes, small chance of AK trapping turn but entire line looks like AAd from random fish.

drunken whale is 600 deep (he's won a bunch of big pots) is immediately to my left

he's basically unintelligible at this point and is vpipping 100%

he also will call any size raise preflop with atc - just a total dream

i'm sitting on about 1700, over 1k of it from him where he keeps on calling huge preflop bets and then folding later streets - another time a short stack shoved for 29 when i btn straddled, he flatted and i call with A2s, flop comes 345r and he leads out for 200, i shove and he snaps with KK

continually talks about how bad a beat it was, even googles it to show me that he should have won that 78% of the time

i agreed, yes, it's a bad beat, i got super lucky

whale is generally a check caller but once he has top pair or better he will donk lead into you - we have played a lot of pots where i make 50 preflop and only he calls and then he check folds the flop or calls the flop and check folds the turn or river - the few times he donks at me it's top pair or better

anyway...

i'm in the bb and look down at AKo

utg+1 is probably the only other competent player at the table, he's got a lot of holes in his game but he's a good and tight player, he opens to 20 with about 1600 behind (he's also been feasting off the whale)

4 callers, including the whale from the sb

i make it 150, figuring that's right around the max the whale will call off with pre and know other than utg+1, everyone else is capped so will probably go heads up vs the whale or maybe 3 ways

utg+1 calls, so does the whale after a big speech of "you guys probably have the same cards so i should call because i'll likely hit"

flop comes 995ss - i have no spades

whale donks for the wa state max of 300, he has about 150 behind but he says all-in and thinks he's all in

i'm figuring there's no way he has a 9, he'd probably treat a 5 here like it were top pair, that fits with his "i got something that you two don't have" speech but if it were heads up i'd still likely call just because i likely still have equity or am even ahead quite abit but i force myself to fold because of the guy behind me who's range is very much in the TT+ range

utg+1 snaps and whale flips his cards over - he's a nice guy and doesn't bet and just checks it down, winning the pot with jacks

i don't know if i'm being results oriented or not, but feel like i misplayed this one massively

I don't see how you misplayed it, other than the obvious blunder of not flopping an ace or king. It just so happened that out of the billion combos he calls with, he had jj.

Good fold otf.

If it were HU it would be close. If he has always had at least a pair when he donks, I guess fold. You're not much of a fav against draws anyway, as his pair outs are good. So even if he mixes in draws, fold.

If he could have red 93 here, I guess call.

yeah we talked a bit later how i saved a lot of money by him being in the hand because villain's 85 did hit bottom pair on the flop which would have beaten me and without that other guy behind me i'm never folding vs the whale

idk, just felt super awkward about it - wasn't sure if i should have done a larger raise or smaller one preflop - feel like the fold was a good move (but also maybe getting results oriented)

come to think of it, a very similar thing happened about a month ago where the talented villain only had 500ish and reshoved on me and i snap called - maniac folded and the guy's A9o lost to my AKs as he thought i was just trying to iso and probably had weaker and would fold

that's why i love this thread - good for little sanity checks here and there