Aces Up IP 4-bet pot
1/3 NLHE 9 handed
We're playing a great game and the table is getting better and better, we've been straddling and running well and several fish are getting in on the action, straddling themselves, there's 3 people on the transfer list to our game.
H - BTN. Covers with about 2k. Winning image.
BB - Indian fish. Plays face up. 300$.
LJ - Asian fish has been playing our room a lot lately and yo-yoing as his wide range hits/misses random runouts and the winning players all go for thin value with him. He has a spazz button. 750$.
HJ - Pakistani OMC. KQs is worth 30$ pre, AKs is worth all of it, 77 is worth 20$...that sort of player. If he's putting money in the pot post its 2-pair+. 350$.
CO - Unknown asian loose passive. Has just lost a big hand after being deep. First I gutted him for one BI and now someone else. He's down to about 725$ from over 3k.
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H straddles BTN sees A♠ J♣, BB limps, LJ to 15, HJ calls 15, CO to 65, H to 175, fold fold fold, CO thinks and touches his hand like he's going to fold and then calls... HU IP.
Flop 380 (550 back) - J♦ 7♣ 3♣
CO checks... are we just going with it here?
pre seems decently losing, sizing combo and decision to cold 4 way too light vs a guy whos likely not folding pre
would b25 now but could be convinced to check in hopes of him spewing vs it
very unapproved but something like b10 might get him to go off too
Bet 100 see if he’ll punt it off.
Aces up is two pair, one of the pair aces.
I would not 3! this, and would go about 200 half pot on the flop. Can't expect him to raise and there is a possible flush draw.
I think if you were asking about the initial decision pre-flop, when a loose passive takes an aggressive line, many here would say fold.
However, coming in light and hitting top pair is encouraging. I would have liked to watch him as the flop came out.
Most people would be considering folding to a 4bet, but he wouldn’t be hesitant with aces or kings. Would he call with TT? Would he even be considering folding AK or QQ?
With him running bad and you running good, I would assume we’re ahead. Bet $100
Yeah, a lot of people don't 5! live, even at mid stakes. I 1/3 player could just flat call with JJ+, so then you hit TPTK and gii and are crushed. Seems like a really easy fold to a 3!. What the hell are you doing? In a 1/3 game, people are often face up and you can get out of their way.
Is this 4-bet a bluff or for value? If a bluff, why would you try to bluff a bunch of loose passive fish at a crazy table? If for value, it’s pretty damn light and ambitious. I feel like you don’t know the answer and that’s a problem.
Either way here you are with SPR1.5 in a 4bet pot with TPTK. You’re committed.
4b pre just feels like a turbo torch... fish almost never 3b/f and honestly usually only 3b hands that likely want to continue to an equilibrium 4b range anyway. Like this is basically the second best possible flop after making a safe top two, and we still kinda hate it.
Someone on losing tilt is usually going to overplay value IME, so this is a great spot to stack off against worse Jx, but does he even have any in range? An unknown fish finds a 3b squeeze with KJs or QJs?
Otherwise I think we either just get a fold from random overcards/underpairs or value own against sets and overpairs. Played around with a sim a little bit and it prefers a larger cbet size like b33-ish and then trying to lock what a fish would do (overfold and underbluff) I think you just have to sit back and bluffcatch.
Fold pre
Merry Christmas, everyone.
Guessing this part:
Has just lost a big hand after being deep. First I gutted him for one BI and now someone else. He's down to about 725$ from over 3k.
Overrides the LP part. I can dig it as a 4!/f. Prefer exploiting someone tilting to playing AJo, even IP, vs a gaggle with an overcall. This V 'shouldn't' have QQ+ as described. Can totally see two broadways not AK, or 99- going, "F' it, let's see a flop."
Thinking Omaha and sub are right about it and H is trying to get V to spew vs TP. 100-125/call is what I'd do. Nh. (So far.)
I check back flop thinking this can still be something like QQ
Turn 380 - J♦ 7♣ 3♣ A♦ (aces up)
V checks with a long pause, 550 back...
Fold face-up before Villain even gets to bet and say, "nice top set, sir".
Unless you know someone is 3-betting light, almost always fold AJo to a 3! at 1/3. Often fold AQ to a 3!.
As played, bet/gii turn. Shove river.
Now, I am pretty sure we are good. Hero has blockers, so only one combination each of AA and JJ. He may 5! AA. He may not 3! JJ, even if he has 3! bluffs. At this point, it is probably AK/KK/QQ or some light 3!. Obviously, hope he has AK.
you really can't get off the ride in low spr situations
I know we can all be a little too drunk too often at the holidays ... but honestly not sure WTF you are asking for advice about in this hand?
When you say you "gutted V for a buyin" does that mean you hit a gutter and maybe he's super tilted in general or at least vs. you?
Without very good reads preflop is a snap fold. If you think he's super tilted, then I guess I can maybe see wtf you are thinking but it has a lot of bad properties.
Then flop ... you have 1.5 SPR and TPTK, without very good reads you can't fold.
Even checking flop behind seems mediocre, as TT/99/88 is never folding flop and there are lots of bad turns. Only hope is that he spazz bluffs turn, which is the opposite of your read. Yeh, you lose to QQ+ ... but that was a problem for past you to deal with preflop.
Turn is kind of bad, because if he thought you had AK you now hit and there's very few hands that beat AK and lose to your hand ... but it's not like you can fold top two, and checking again is just asking for the K♣/T♣ to hit the river or something. Also esp. given preflop reads, with no mention of him maybe being on super monkey tilt, he can have at least AK here.
tl;dr Go home banana you're drunk.
I am quite confident once you make top two pair. I like the flop check back. Maybe keep checking and fold unimproved. Fish is 3-betting QQ+ like always. That you made a mistake 4-betting doesn't mean you should make another mistake stacking off with TPTK.
I guess you can beat 1/3 with major leaks, but you post ridiculous bluff and overplays like this and then when you him something big, you never bet it.
huh? long pauses are usually weakness.
b50 looks close to geo. all of your threads seem like drawn out cries for attention
most of your posts seem like casual narcissism
Disagree with some, you have interesting hands, often with moves we wouldn’t make, but decision points worth looking at.
Keep posting
I do think the play is fold pre, but you’ve turned this into a likely winner. I was in the bet $100 on the flop camp, but as played, I wouldn’t bet much more than that now. I’m ready to stack off now, but I don’t think he is.
I understand theory people and their reads, but this is my game, 1/3 and I am certainly not surprised to see A7, A3, AK, a flush draw or much worse. Giving a guy running bad credit for a set is crazy to me.
There’s less gamble in poker, but streaks are real in gambling. He’s running bad and it will likely continue, you don’t bet against it. You fell into this, so take his stack again.
Agree with FreeCard -- first, keep posing, second, fold pre, third, bet flop $100 - $200.
On turn, I go $200/gii and hope he has AK, AQ, A3, or AcXc (and misses).
