AJo backs into an obvious bloof?
1/3 NLHE 9 handed
Table captain. Running like God and making great moves to boot. We've had some great value hands where we got the max and even some winners tilt hands like HH below. We cover from UTG1 with over 3k and there are several stacks between 1-2k.
V1 - Mostly unknown asian late 20s fish with glasses. Has been playing a loose passive but spazzy style. He's at that place where he understands he needs to get more aggressive but he misapplies it and it ends up being spew. VPIP about 35-40%. Flatted IP with KK earlier, someone 3-bet and V1 back raise shoved like he didn't understand he should raise KK. Stacked two people. SB. 1k.
V2 - Unknown fish. Two hour sample. Was deep and bled down. Been losing, rebought 500 and recovered a bit. Straightforward post. 800$. UTG.
HH: H sees 77 from SB, BTN straddle, H limps, V1 to 40 from BB, V2 calls IP, H calls (we're ~850 effective V1), Flop K-K-2 ddh, I check, V1 cbets 30, V2 calls, I make it 200, they both fold. I ask how good their pair was and show.
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V2 straddles UTG, H sees A♦ J♦ and opens 20 UTG+1, V1 flats SB, V2 flats UTG. 3-ways IP.
Flop 60 - T♣ 8♣ 7♣
V1 x V2 x H bets 25, V1 fold, V2 calls
Turn 110 - 7♥
V2 checks, I decide to check back (?)
River 110 - 6♣
V2 checks with like 750 back...
11 Replies
Prob a small bet. Don't bet flop tho.
I wouldn't cbet the dripping wet flop with air 3-way. I would just give this up initially.
I would bluff the river, as this situation isn't bluffed that much at low stakes and he may not have a flush.
Agreed on both counts; don't bet Flop, bet 30-ish % on the River. People are pretty willing to fold single pairs with four of the same suit out there.
Grunch:
Didn't look at the reads because they always seem to push me the wrong way. Just going off population tendencies.
PRE - seems fine.
FLOP - I would just check it back, or c-bet really small IP, like maybe just 1/4 pot, $15, when it's multi-way and a monotone flop. Might even bet just $10. But mostly just checking it back, I think, with a plan to see what they do on the turn.
TURN - When V1 folds flop and V2 calls, closing the action, his range is going to be pretty wide. I'd think he has a lot of 1P + a draw type hands, maybe some 2P, maybe some flopped straights or flushes. But he probably isn't floating with air. We should be thinking about giving up, I think.
RIVER - okay, I just went back and looked at the reads and prior HH. V2 is stuck, possibly tilted and chasing his losses, and we've shown that we're capable of bluffing.
Ordinarily, I'd mostly just check back and give up, or occasionally maybe we could bluff for a small size when he checks again, just to fold out hands like TX.
But with the dynamics at play, I think he shows up with some stronger hands, and our bluff would need to be huge. I think I'd rather just give up and check this back.
He's probably not folding a flush. His most likely 2P combos of 87 and 76 are boats. I don't think I want to try to make him fold a straight. Maybe we can get him to fold TX if we bet $130-$135, but I'm not sure I want to risk that much just to win $110, when we can just check back and muck when he shows down a hand that was never going to fold to any bet.
Just check it back, Banana. Don't try to bluff here.
Checking the river is bad. It is just a question of reads on what he has how much to bluff.
Explain why.
No and you shouldn't be betting flop here either. Some hands are going to be pure give ups and this is most certainly one of them on every street.
Explain why.
No and you shouldn't be betting flop here either. Some hands are going to be pure give ups and this is most certainly one of them on every street.
I agree this is a pure give up on the flop and turn.
On the river, a small bet should get enough folds to be profitable when he does not have a flush. Probably difficult to represent a high flush trying to get a flush to fold.
I agree this is a pure give up on the flop and turn.
On the river, a small bet should get enough folds to be profitable when he does not have a flush. Probably difficult to represent a high flush trying to get a flush to fold.
There's four to a flush on a paired board. There's actually a one-liner to a straight flush. The read we were given was that V is a fish who's been losing and plays straight-forward post.
How do we know he doesn't have a flush? For that matter, how do we know he doesn't have a boat? How do we know he didn't turn trips? How do we know he won't shrug-call a small bet with TX, or a straight?
We started $800 eff with V, and there's only $110 in the pot. Bluffing for a small size may fold out some hands that are better than ours and shouldn't be here, but even a hand like red 5's may flick in the curiosity call if we bet like $35 here.
If we want to generate folds, I'd think we'd need to bet really large, not small, to rep a polar range. But it's hard to figure out what nutted hands we'd be repping on the river after we check back the turn. Most of those hands wold have barreled.
If we were going to make a play for this pot, we could have done that with a line that capped V early, and may have folded out some of the hands we'd be hoping to fold out now. When we get here the way we did, we're not repping much with a small river bet.
We've only got $45 in the pot. It's okay to give up sometimes. This seems like it would be one of those times.
