Martin Zamani vs Ryan Depaulo
Brynn Kenney was right and Martin Zamani needs to inject some toad venom and chill the eff out.
Ryan cheating aside, the original reason for the thread Ryan is 100% in the right. That's 100% a fold. Ryan even asked so you fold? and drunk noob says yes. It's not his job, that's the dealer's job but Ryan helps make it even more clear.
Who's that fat adjacent friend of his that's actually a good tournament player? Probably, almost certainly, most definitely, I saw him do it, ghosted him on his bracelet victory.
That's why poker is called "the cheaters game". If you ain't cheatin', you getting cheated dawg. That's poker.
The texts from RDP don't come off to me as 100% openly admitting to ghosting with no questions asked. I think the texts can just as easily be interpreted as Ryan being worried he has to fight against allegations that are untrue or only have half-truths. He makes it clear in the texts that his image, to him, is everything. I could see a person like that being worried about just having to simply deal with allegations believing that the community will take a "guilty until proven innocent" stance. And looking at this thread, he is not wrong. It's weird to me how the texts have a level of ambiguity (and come from the guy we saw drunkenly play in a $25K) but the thread has jumped to RDP more than likely cheating
Ryan cheating aside, the original reason for the thread Ryan is 100% in the right. That's 100% a fold. Ryan even asked so you fold? and drunk noob says yes. It's not his job, that's the dealer's job but Ryan helps make it even more clear.
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I am indifferent to RDP for what its worth; I only know him from being an ACR pro back in the day, Linus' 8 high call, and now this. No idea what else he is doing or has going on
Watching the video and now seeing how Martin talks, it's clear this dude is a ****ing douche.
Ryan is 100% right in this situation, it was a clear cut fold, being drunk doesn't absolve you from decision making.
I wouldn't put too much stock into the "cheating allegations" from Martin, people like him like to change the narrative and try to take control of the situation by deflecting. Bottom line, Martin comes across as a massive douche in both the video and the tweet.
As much as I want to give RDP benefit of the doubt, it doesn't look great. Usually when someone makes a false accusation towards you, you're offended and deny it, you don't instantly start bargaining with them and begging them not to out you publicly.
Brynn Kenney was right and Martin Zamani needs to inject some toad venom and chill the eff out.Ryan cheating aside, the original reason for the thread Ryan is 100% in the right. That's 100% a fold. Ryan even asked so you fold? and drunk noob says yes. It's not his job, that's the dealer's job but Ryan helps make it even more clear. Who's that fat adjacent friend of his that
Yes on this hand Ryan is right. The dealer did a poor job and the right ruling was made.
But Ryan likely cheating is a much bigger deal than this loudmouth Zumani interjecting himself into a situation while being wrong.
Watching the video and now seeing how Martin talks, it's clear this dude is a ****ing douche. Ryan is 100% right in this situation, it was a clear cut fold, being drunk doesn't absolve you from decision making. I wouldn't put too much stock into the "cheating allegations" from Martin, people like him like to change the narrative and try to take control of the situation by defle
Hi Ryan, your post count is 1
Usually when someone makes a false accusation towards you, you're offended and deny it, you don't instantly start bargaining with them and begging them not to out you publicly.
Ryan told them to go ahead and do an interview with Pokernews about it. Are you reading a different post than the rest of us? Then he asked, otherwise, for the guy to not cause him a headache by spreading gossip at a feature table in this huge high-roller, which I think is a reasonable request.
If an angry hobo came up to me on the subway and accused me of being the King of the Habsburgs engaged in a secret plot to exterminate all polar bears, I don't think being "offended and denying it" would be my first instinct either. Maybe I would just say, Hey, go talk to Bari Weiss at 60 Minutes, the world must know, pal!
But I suppose if you saw that interaction, you'd take the hobo's side? 🙄
(Oh and, if Ryan had gotten offended, folks would be claiming that was evidence of guilt instead, because "why would he be getting offended if it wasn't true?" The muppets who show up on these sorts of threads are never happy.)
As much as I want to give RDP benefit of the doubt, it doesn't look great. Usually when someone makes a false accusation towards you, you're offended and deny it, you don't instantly start bargaining with them and begging them not to out you publicly.
This.
If someone is accusing you of cheating (for a WSOP bracelet nonetheless), basically the worst thing you can be accused of in poker), you don’t leave the table (while play continues, approaching the bubble of a HUGE tournament) and start texting that person that shit. He then comes back and basically shuts the fuck up until he busts.
Is that proof? No. But in that Twitter thread you have Mustafa Kanit basically saying Zamani doesn’t lie about this kinda shit, so he’s kinda putting himself out there and he has a good rep as far as I know…it starts to look even worse.
And now it’s been 3 or 4 days since Zamani’s tweet/accusation, and I haven’t seen any denial from DePaulo or any social media activity at all (at least on Twitter).
It’s possible DePaulo is innocent, I haven’t seen any hard proof, but based on what’s out there right now I’d feel pretty comfortable betting on the ‘DePaulo Cheated’ side.
If he’s innocent, then DePaulo obviously needs someone smarter than him to help with his PR, since apparently his whole career depends on it.
Ryan told them to go ahead and do an interview with Pokernews about it. Are you reading a different post than the rest of us? Then he asked, otherwise, for the guy to not cause him a headache by spreading gossip at a feature table in this huge high-roller, which I think is a reasonable request.If an angry hobo came up to me on the subway and accused me of being the King of the
You're comparing an angry hobo spewing nonsense to a guy who he obviously knows reasonably well making a serious accusation in their industry. It's not even close to the same thing.
The way he backtracks without denying the accusation is very telling.
Yes on this hand Ryan is right. The dealer did a poor job and the right ruling was made.
But Ryan likely cheating is a much bigger deal than this loudmouth Zumani interjecting himself into a situation while being wrong.
If the cheating is ghosting then it's not really a big deal and it never has been. It's always been the policy that ghosting IS allowed online as long as the person is in the room with you. If Ryan DePaulo's fat-adjacent friend was in the back seat telling him how to play that would have been perfectly legit. Him facetiming or whatever instead though is considered cheating.
Zamani is such a fairyboy.
Wasn't involved in the hand.
Ran his mouth to defend drunk guy because it would benefit him.
Now blackmails RDP over a disagreement.
When Zamani himself is guilty of ghosting/cardsharing 1, 000 times over.
You'd think he was a female with this behavior.
If the cheating is ghosting then it's not really a big deal and it never has been. It's always been the policy that ghosting IS allowed online as long as the person is in the room with you. If Ryan DePaulo's fat-adjacent friend was in the back seat telling him how to play that would have been perfectly legit. Him facetiming or whatever instead though is considered cheating.
ghosting is a huge deal. lmao@ pretending otherwise.
Ghosting is a massive deal, imagine if some rec who made the ME final table had Phil Ivey play it for them instead. Ryan has been an ambassador for multiple poker sites, profiting from selling us on the illusion that the games we're playing in are fair. Between Nacho and Ebony Kenney both getting caught using wizard during MTTs and now this, it's getting harder and harder to trust the security of online poker. It's disappointing because Ryan has always called out cheating and scumbag behavior, I really hope he addresses it on the next vlog
the hand in question. he basically calls Zamani a spoiled drug addict a little bit before this. also calls him a joke that isn't funny in the video. it was released a week ago, and a few days before the tweets were made, fwiw.
Yes on this hand Ryan is right. The dealer did a poor job and the right ruling was made.But Ryan likely cheating is a much bigger deal than this loudmouth Zumani interjecting himself into a situation while being wrong.
If the cheating is ghosting then it's not really a big deal and it never has been. It's always been the policy that ghosting IS allowed online as long as the per
This is such an absurd take that I have to assume you’re trolling.
Just because it’s basically impossible for an online company to prove you’re cheating when your buddy is at your house telling you how to play, doesn’t mean there’s any REAL difference between that, FaceTiming someone (which you think is somehow different), or even having them take over your account for that matter and finishing the tourney from their own home (the impact of all 3 is equal—the only difference is the difficulty in detection).
You can’t be this stupid.
Zamani is such a fairyboy.
Wasn't involved in the hand.
Ran his mouth to defend drunk guy because it would benefit him.
Now blackmails RDP over a disagreement.
When Zamani himself is guilty of ghosting/cardsharing 1, 000 times over.
You'd think he was a female with this behavior.
He is that hot office chick who is the director of HR
Poker is starting to become more like the office at the casino... its all a big facade
You play a card game for a living, this is just lame.
You're not just getting ghosted, you're getting RTAed online. Deal with it. It's not a big deal, let people cheat. We already let people use HUDs. Can I use a HUD in a Las Vegas poker room? Can I use a computer to track my opponent's stats in ways that the human brain can't to gain an edge at gambling at a game regulated by the NGC? No one is playing a pure form of poker. You didn't run millions of simulations to figure out what the equilibrium point for a hand is. That's cheating. Some of you pay other people to tell you how to play better, that's cheating too. It's cheating to datamine and buy hand histories online right? But if Joe the Reg tells Mr Casino Pro that Sammy the fish plays 70/0 in real life and he's sitting right over there he can hop into that game and that's not cheating right?
Poker is about gaining any edge you can in a game. If you're a woman with a big chest, you show off your cleavage. I have no idea how that would help in a poker scenario but big titted women please heed my call and try this strat. If you can't gain an edge straight up, you cheat. If you can't cheat to win, then you buy a gun and you rob the poker game. That's poker.
The game is the game son.
"I don't know about cards, but uh, I think these four fives (two .45 pistols) beat a full house."
This is such an absurd take that I have to assume you're trolling. Just because it's basically impossible for an online company to prove you're cheating when your buddy is at your house telling you how to play, doesn't mean there's any REAL difference between that, FaceTiming someone (which you think is somehow different), or even having them take over your account for that mat
First of all, never doubt the depths of my stupidity. Yes I can be that stupid. I'm a human being, I can be willfully ignorant. Cognitive dissonance is a real phenomenon, I can be totally wrong but my brain won't allow me to correct course because it considers protecting my ego to be more important.
So don't tell me I can't be this stupid! I'll put my own dick in a toaster to prove to you how dumb I can be!
Cheat Win,
Yes, we know people cheat. That is not the point of contention.
Most people think cheating is a big deal. You do not, and that is on you.
No need to put your dick in a toaster to convince us how stupid you are.
Ryan was right but he got to involved and talked too much. Dealer was very weak.
Ghosting is a massive deal, imagine if some rec who made the ME final table had Phil Ivey play it for them instead.
Unfortunately this is what happens at every decent size ft online in the past few decades. Hes just pointing out the reality of the matter. If Zamani is so concerned about this why doesn't he also post who ghosted RDP?
It's scumbag behavior to post a text conversation without the consent of the person sending the text.
Who knows about the allegations. Who knows if the texts are being faithfully reproduced or what exactly the poster is getting at. In the scheme of things not a reliable enough source given possible motivations, etc. to start jumping to any conclusions based on what looked like even in private a cryptic threat.
. The application of one player to a hand rule in online poker has always been fuzzy and inconsistent. It would seem very possible if not likely he was calling someone while playing for general emotional support and advice the same as if they were on the rail live. We've had a WSOP main FT since then that has affected our idea of where the lines are drawn and that would need to be kept in mind.
Or RDP was hardcore cheating and didn't even play the thing. Who knows, just that I question the motivations of the accuser enough that I can leave it at butthurt guy trying to make trouble for now by framing what may be at most gray area stuff as darker than it is. Meanwhile RDP is dealing with an infant and probably sleep deprived to the point of minor brain damage so his reactions are likely to be off.
I mean, he seems not the most tightly wrapped dude at the best of times.
would be hilarious if zamani was the guy who ghosted him 😀
Several things can be right at the same time. RDP could be a cheating dirtbag, MZ could be a cheating dirtbag himself. Online poker IS infested with cheating dirtbags.
