Would you have done anything differently?

Doesn't V have 380? That's not 300bb deep. I think it's still a call pre but close.

Flop is fine, gonna be a flip or you have 12 outs a lot.

Seems like a fairly easy fold pre. I think your range of TT+ is far too wide for these type of players.

You have almost 300bb. Villain only has 127bb.

pre is fine, flop is a x/f. hes not folding JJ+. MAYBE you get him to fold AK but he will likely talk himself into calling on a dry flop.

We have nfd

I mean these 2 things on this specific flop simply can not be true at the same time.

i misread the HH. we have NFD..disregard what i said. x/jam is the play and we hope to have 12 clean outs here at minimum

Preflop is whatever. Hero can fold AQs oop against a loose passive who makes a large 3bet EP or MP. I think TT+ is too generous. Loose passive Vs limping a lot just don’t 3bet TT. I would range V JJ+, AK after the 3bet. If V raised to 30, I would call. AP, you can still call because you can outplay V on the flop. V is playing his hand face up. He has no bluffs. Fold can’t be bad either. You’re oop against a premium range. Sure he has no bluffs, but why bother putting yourself in tough spots?

AP, on the flop, I like the jam. After the pot sized bet, I think V has only JJ+. Hero is a 43/57 dog. Hero has blockers against AA and QQ. V has just 230 behind. Hero risks 330 to win 530. A jam puts pressure on V holding JJ and worried about hero possibly having QQ+ and TX. I have seen plenty of loose passives scared money fold JJ here. They bet big with JJ hoping for folds.

Pre - Yeah, never folding but I don't think we are ahead.

Flop - This type of V has a overpair with near 100% frequency here. We can estimate 0% fold equity. Why jam when we estimate we have 35% equity and 0% fold equity? That's intentionally putting in $330 bad when we can put in $100 with reasonable odds. And if fish is learning to bluff and has something like KJdd, let him keep blasting off.

By calling, we preserve the same flush outs, and a fish isn't always jamming turn. He could get scared and check back turn thinking we have Tx. Yeah, we're probably going to stick it in, but make the fish force it. Sometimes, fish give us free cards we don't deserve.

Maybe calling is slightly better sure. Can just fold if a ten comes or something

Has he ever in your limited history 3 bet? If no I see you having a lot of RIO here and on someone that consistently plays fit or fold and is passive if you hit the flush/straight or possibly even A on the flop you aren't getting paid unless he hit a set. Against a normal player I play but here I do not like our range vs Vs range so fold. You happy to play if a Q hits the board and he bets? An A and he bets? If not do you think you are getting proper odds to be drawing to a flush, straight, or 2p on the flop?

On the flop he bets pot. Assuming you are correct he plays fit or fold he at best for you has OP and at worst quads. Assuming flop is not quads you normally have 11 outs(if he has KK or JJ he either has the diamond one in his pair or if it hits he is a full house). If you make you need to fade his outs(10 or his pair). I'd rather call then raise as you might get to see both cards for the $100 and are not the favorite.

You can't have it both ways. If he's learning to bluff" with some sort of unpaired hand then you also have to factor in AK, and getting AK to fold would be a major part of why we'd jam this flop.

Now I don't think we're up against anything that isn't an overpair all that often, but on the rare occasions that we are and given all our equity it tips the scales quite significantly. I do also agree that the jam might make JJ feel rather uncomfortable - at least for some players. Plus we have decent equity against JJ if called. We block AA and QQ and we aren't completely dead against KK.

If he calls all overpairs ie TT+ then we need him to have around 10% of unpaired hands in his range to make this a profitable shove. That doesn't seem unreasonable, you only need 2-3 combos of AK etc. If he calls off with the KJdd, or folds JJ, then so much the better.

Played fine overall. Folding preflop would also be acceptable but I don't think it's mandatory.

I guess I just always think of Doyle Brunson and fold easily in this situation.

OOP facing a passive attack that’s certainly value.

There are way too many “what ifs” to get involved here.

As played, I don’t consider this calculated aggression, because it just seems like a coin flip. You could give up your fifteen dollar open or play roulette for 380.

Fold pre. to the 3bet and it's not close.

Flop shove seems pretty bad, if he has KK wtf value are you supposed to have here? I guess you get AK to fold, but I'm not sure he ever has it. Maybe he talks himself into a fold with JJ, but I doubt it ... more likely he doesn't even 3bet pre.

If the turn is a T, you just torched $230 for no reason.

I'm not having it both ways - I don't think a normally passive V who plays "fit or fold" is finding a bluff with AK for a psb. Maybe he finds a bluff with a FD but we block most of those.

He might call TT+ pre, he isn't betting $100 on the flop with all TT+. That's a huge bet in this game. Passive fit or fold players aren't betting $100 here with AK no FD. I struggle to find any unpaired hand that is betting $100 on the flop other than KJdd from a player described as "fit or fold". And I'm far from certain that KJs is in his 3! range.

Fish usually tell you what they have. They don't have normal balanced ranges. This fish is telling us he has a monster and is afraid of the flush draw. I'd believe him.

Adonson makes the best case for jamming in that maybe he finds a fold with JJ. But I think more often than not we are jamming into AA and sometimes KK/QQ. Passive Vs aren't always 3! JJ, and aren't always betting pot with JJ on this board. Passive Vs play passively, and when they don't it's a big sign.

I don't think V as described is folding anywhere close to 10% of the time and I think he has an unpaired hand once in a blue moon. If V shows up with AKss here, we have to update our read.

I'd probably make a nitty fold pre. Probably not calling a pot sized c-bet. Don't think we have any fold equity. Not sure how much actual equity we have in our hand. Maybe we're close to flipping, but we could be down around 35-ish%.

Think I just fold, and make a mental note that V will size up with his 3B's and c-bets. Hope to find a spot to exploit him for max value.

In position, I like a call pf. OOP, I'd just let this go. As played on the flop, I doubt he has quads. Even a noob player knows he has the nuts. He wouldn't be trying to push you out. I'm fine with the shove since he won't pay you off if the FD comes in.

Exactly. Fold pre.

I meant to say HIS GAME...but regardless typical unknown, doubt it changes much.

You can absolutely own these players by folding everything marginal versus aggression. Folding sucks and is boring, but it's more fun when you think of these types of folds as you basically "dunking on" your weak-passive nit opponents. You can also kinda-sorta balance these folds out by 3betting wider ranges versus the loose fish at the table that are going to raise-call KJo or whatever.

I don't know, if our read is that V is generally fit or fold, I think calling pre is slightly +EV. When V has AK, I think we win a lot. Like on this board, V probably checks back AK and we can bet turn and he's going to fold. When V has JJ-QQ, he's going to check back when a K hits, and we can steal it OTT. I think there are a lot of flops that we can just steal pots from the lower end of his range even if we don't outflop him. That's offset a little by us maybe losing a bet when we hit the A and he has AK or we hit our Q and he has KK/AA, we don't want to be getting stacks in on those runouts. But we should be able to outplay a fit or fold player post-flop often enough to make it EV+. Admittedly, its probably a very small amount of EV.

The big question is:

If we call, will V check back AA/KK OTT? If he will calling is mandatory. We're getting the right odds, and I think AA/KK will call one bet. We can't go huge, but we can go big enough to make the odds right from the flop.

If we think V is just jamming turn with AA/KK, then folding is probably fine. I don't think its a great flop to try to get JJ-AA to fold. I think jamming flop is the worst option.

Personally, I'd call the $100 and see what kind of player V is on the turn. If he jams, turn is probably a fold. But he could just make it another $100, and we have raw odds going to the river. And I wouldn't be stunned to see a low stakes player checking AA OTT because he fears a T. I don't think we can just assume that V is jamming all turns. For that reason, I'd pay $100 to learn who this player is, and if I'm blown off the hand and have to fold, I'd try to make a comment to entice him to show his hand to at least get info for my $100.

I think the decision point is preflop, and no one in this thread really has enough info to make that decision. Villain is described as passive and fit or fold, but what kind of 3-bet range do we put him on? If it's tight enough then a preflop fold might have been best.

Once you call pre, this flop where you flop the NFD is really one of the better flops we could have hoped for. Call or jam both have merit depending on our opponent's range and expected response. If you're considering folding postflop you probably should have folded pre.

I think we have enough info to make that decision and I'd go as far as saying it's probably a fold vs population specifically in these positions and definitely a fold if we take the average 1/2 players post-flop skills into consideration.

I think without any real reads but just the ''he's passive'' part we shouldn't even assume AK 3bets in these positions. Don't disagree pre is nitty and I don't usually fold here but vs passive types oop fold seems better than calling.

It’s an easy fold pf, he has aces or kings.