The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

LOL have you even read the article about betfair, its clear you didnt so heres the link
https://www.theguardian.com/business/202...

They are not being fined for "letting down their players"
The exact quote is " social responsibility failings, including allowing one customer to bet for nearly eight hours solid."
And I am not claiming gambling sites are morally superior and dont want to make as much money as possible, I am saying they dont rig the RNG (the topic of this very thread, in case you forgot). And nowhere in the whole article is even a mention of that. Seems like you are the one repeating yourself by grasping as straws yet again, bringing up unrelated topics yet again and of course again TALKING a lot without showing any shred of EVIDENCE yet again. But of course, people who want to see that evidence must have some vested interest. I hope you feel the same when you get blamed for something without any evidence 😉
You must have a really healthy relationship with poker/gambling
Maybe you just lack the self-control, just like you made so many "final posts" here 😉

In all honesty, you're the one who seems insane, given you can't seem to simply walk away from a thread and a game you seemingly swore you were done with

Even if we all agreed online poker is 100% rigged and everything you say is 100% true, then this is still not a good look on you, because you're literally still talking about it to all of us instead of simply walking away and moving on with your life

But thanks for letting us know that Slugant apparently still lives rent free in your head

Merry Christmas y'all.

I am retired now so I am very rusty with online poker cash games. But I have made a lot of money online in cash games before and after black friday that it put me into retirement before most people retire. And i have people every year tell me that online poker is rigged (mostly micro level players). I am told the players are to good or its bots or the site cheats or the best one is I played higher limits where people fold that my higher limits are EASIER... Their is collusion and teaming but the rng is not rigged. It is definitely much easier then higher stakes. For the new year I hope you guys stop making excuses and either get coaching or watching training videos to find mistakes in your own game. Stop blaming the site. I also have saw 0 collusion on ACR. I played ACR cause I am told they have the best players at these lower stakes or its all rigged. I haven't played much in about a year. Even rusty no issues. I quickly spotted their mistakes and took advantage. I don't play poker cause I never enjoyed it not because I can't beat the games. If your in the US I would recommend ACR. No cheating, rng is fine and customer service is great. I have always liked ignition too. A lot of gamblers on that site. but you can only play 2 tables at each limit for fast tables and reg tables. And don't play anywhere else imo. Go with a trusted company that has been around over 10 years. I heard Global Poker is starting to get cut out of more states. So switch to one of those 2 imo.

And BTW someone claimed I was bum hunting. I sit whatever table is open. Bum hunting is waste of time. You wont get better at the game if you avoid the better players and the fish have limited bankrolls. You wont make it in poker bum hunting long term. The players playing everyone will keep getting better and you will decline and get worse.

I have played more cash games hands from pre black friday until last year when I retired then anyone in the world. I crushed every site I was on even kicked off one site because they claimed I was to good. Micro stakes players always challenge me to play saying the games are not beatable or they are cheating or rng is fixed. That pros who do bankroll challenges at micros can't beat the games. That is wrong they just get bored and quit.

They should focus on getting better not coming on here saying poker is rigged. You wont get better at poker with that mindset. If micro players can beat me then I would agree its rigged. But they wont. People message me to go to 10k hands. I am stopping after that. I don't enjoy playing poker anymore. I will show you by position cause some claim my winnings are probably from hu against fish. The excuses are pretty insane. I am sitting and playing that is it. You guys need to get coaching or watch training videos or post hands and see where you are making mistakes. These games are easily beatable. And I promise all of you at mid stakes where some claim the games are much easier cause they fold is ridiculous. Its a much tougher game.

At micros you don't even need a hud against these players. They make terrible mistakes. I am showing proof the rng is not rigged thats it. Focus on getting better not worrying about cheating. If they team just leave the table and you will do just fine playing abc poker at these levels. Don't get upset and spew and the money will be there. 2026 poker is very profitable at micros.

I'm not a mathlete. But I'll say this: I hit a Royal Flush on Global. It was my 3rd one in 310k hands played.... There's two responses always given to explain away what many people consider artificial variance. 1- The variance is due to the large number of hands played. The problem with this is that The Law of Large Numbers says the opposite. That the larger the sample size the closer you should get to convergence (EV equaling actual results). 2- That the high variance is due to bad players involved in hands with cards they shouldn't have been playing to begin with. There's no denying that equities change from street to street, sometimes significantly. However that doesn't displace the initial equity. If you are repeatedly seeing all five cards when you start as an 80% favorite and only winning 65% of the time; something ain't right.

The next time you go all in with AA regardless if you win or lose, after the board runs out look at all the combinations of hands that could of beat your AA. Say the board is TK684. And say he had AK and lost. If he had KK, TT KT, 66 88 44 he beats you. A lot of hands can beat whatever hand your holding because 5 cards are going to come out that can improve his hand to beat your better hand. Or 4 cards to a flush or straight might even come. Even though texas holdem is less variance then plo there is still a lot of ways you can lose a hand. That is why recreational players play nlh and plo. They always have a chance to win on any given session. And I seen terrible players win big and bad beat everyone for several hrs playing almost every hand. I am talking them winning non stop to the point actual grinders thought that player was cheating and they would leave. But whoever stayed was rewarded. If you are constantly being bad beat that means you playing great poker. That is all that matters and the results will follow if you put in the volume. And if you are constantly getting it in bad and making -ev decisions you need coaching.

I think a lot of you who claimed online poker is rigged know you need to watching training or post hands or get coaching. You guys are to lazy to do it. Sauce used to answer questions in poker forum for free pre black friday. This was when huds first came out and helped us get much better where we had an edge in our player pools. The rest claimed its all rigged and never got better at the game and quit. Its your guys choice. A lot of good free poker content out there these days. We didn't all this free content back then. Get rigging thing out of your head and work on your game and get better. Or get worse.

My win rate after a 312k sample size is 20bb/100. This win rate is supposedly "unsustainable", yet here I am at 312k hands. I also played 2/5 deep stacked live for two years. Every one of my needs and wants was funded solely from my poker income. So I'm not some **** reg or recreational trying to explain away my bad play.

Your comments didn't address my statements. The Law of Large Numbers discredits the claim that the higher variance online vs live is due to the larger amount of hands played.

Who says the first thing? I've never heard a decent player say that.
In fact, the only way to beat variance is to play a huge amount of hands. Then true winners will be winners and true losers will be losers. Over small sample the variance can make a true winner a losing player. (it means you get closer to your true winrate but not necessarily to your total ev because its likelier to run 50 buyins under ev in 500k hands than it is to do so in 50k hands)

And about your quote "If you are repeatedly seeing all five cards when you start as an 80% favorite and only winning 65% of the time; something ain't right."

That example says more about the player folding (rivers) too much or lacks hand reading skills then anything. You cant judge equity solely on "hey, i was ahead preflop", in that case you would never call 54s pre because you are basically always behind. And on the other side you wont call a rivershove on 4567T with AA happily simply because you were ahead preflop.
If however you get it in with 80% equity but win 65% of the time over a huge sample there is a reason to doubt. But never ever has that been shown in this thread, which is the main thread to post such things.
In fact, being a 80% favorite pre and only winning 65% of the time hasnt even been shown here so its purely a hypothetical and unfortunately we cant work with those, we need shown data and facts.

I can only speak about my experience on Global Poker. But let me first say this: awhile back I accidentally went to the WPT subforum mistaking it for the WPT Gold sub. I came across a comment describing the (Fairplay?) algorithm. This will tag some players as HSP (High Stakes Pro). The effect is that these players will not see all of the tables with open seats in the lobby. This is supposed to limit their opportunity to target weak players. The then CEO has a blog post with some nonsense about how this is actually beneficial for players with a high win rate. So we have at least one platform openly admitting that they manipulate the software to the detriment of high win rate players. Is it that big of a leap that they would also handicap these players in game?

As far as Global: it's a running joke/openly spoken of that after every withdrawal you will experience an extended downswing. You may say that downswings are just a fact of playing poker. Hard to accept that there's no cause and effect when these extended downswings just happen to occur after withdrawals. Sets over sets are supposed to be uncommon. Pick a random table and observe how often not just sets over sets occur, but quads over quads.

Interestingly these "quirks" disappear at 50NL and 100NL. You would say of course your opponents average skill level is higher. Not really on Global. I've been at many 50NL and 100NL with the same players I see at 10NL and 20NL.

the cashout curse has been a "thing" on every poker site. There has never been any proof though. But since you seem to know they do happen it wouldnt be hard for you to add this evidence.

I also have never seen quads over quads occur often...In fact, in 15+ million hands played Im not sure I ever encountered it. If you see them OFTEN, we would like to see those hand histories pls

But according to you these things dont happen at 50nl?? so only at micros?
Once again, I would like to see some evidence to support that claim. You seem to never add evidence for some reason 😉
But what would be the reason for global to manipulate microstakes but not small/mid stakes?

As I stated I can only speak to what I've observed on Global Poker because it is the only platform I have played on.

You don't need any one to provide the proof for you. Make an account on Global.

1- For someone that can't remember quads over quads happening in 15 MILLION hands played; I would love to read your rationale after observing multiple occurrences of this on Global after just a few hundred hands played.

2- Build up your account then cash out. Wash, rinse, repeat. You can see for yourself if there is a correlation between withdrawing and extended downswings.

3- My sample size above 20NL is small. I've always had technical issues with Global. I went months with a glitch that would change my stack size to a random amount. Infuriating enough with only 1 table open. But unplayable when mutitabling. I've also been frozen out of a hand in progress even though I can see the status of my connection in real time. It was shortly after moving to 100NL that I was 900 in to a pot and froze. The opponent bet and I was auto folded. Since then I've never played above 20NL. So for all I know the same artificial variance is a thing across all stakes.

A clarification about the percentages I used earlier. The numbers weren't meant to be exact; merely for illustrative purposes. What I should have stated- We've all heard how thin the edge is for most casinos. Yet that small edge is responsible for billions in profits. So when applied to poker a handicap of just a few percentage points accomplishes the goal of assisting the bad players while trying to avoid the obvious theft of EV from the favored hand being noticed.

My rationale is that we don't have this observation. We have you *stating* that this has occurred, but no actual evidence. If you could provide hand histories showing that you've witnessed multiple instances of quads over quads within a range of just a few hundred hands, that would indeed be quite unusual and merit further investigation. But again, we have no such thing, just you claiming that such a thing has happened. Almost every claim of rigging follows this same pattern: insistence that the evidence is overwhelming, followed by failure to provide such evidence. Rinse, lather, repeat.

Fwiw I cant play on Global poker because im not from north america

Exactly what PLOhMyGod said Mr big stack
Anyone can make up these stats, I can claim I got KK

My rationale is the quads thing on global is simple "i have to see it before i believe it". People make up **** about poker all the time. And multiple quads over quads in a few hundred hands sounds a lot like it would fall into this category.

But you're in luck. You've said you have observed these things and I know global poker does provide hand histories. Therefore it would be very easy for you to show the evidence of these extreme anomalies happening.

So no reason left not to provide the evidence. Im looking forward to seeing it 😉

Since it is all heavily rigged (according to you), how the **** am I supposed to do that?

Inb4 'It's only rigged on Tuesdays and Fridays or when I say so!'

Another lame troll...

Real life is rigged:

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2026/01/phil-hellmuth-son-wsop-circuit-50339.htm

pokernews

Phil Hellmuth's Son Wins Set Over Set Over Set in WSOP Circuit Event

Cali you should man tf up! I distinctly remember you on the same table as Scotty (Elvis Avatar) and me a few days ago when multiple FH over FH and Quads over Quads (twice) all happened in the span of an hour...

Amazing. Every one of the responses conveniently sidesteps (and in your case actually misrepresents) the statements I've made.

I didn't say it's heavily rigged. I stated that what appears to be artificial variance is the result of shaving just a few points of Equity.

Talking about sidestepping...

You've conveniently sidestepped this. You've observed the evidence, therefore you have it or can retrieve it. Why hasnt your evidence hasnt been displayed yet? Pls dont sidestep this again

Here's exactly what you said in a previous post:

For someone that can't remember quads over quads happening in 15 MILLION hands played; I would love to read your rationale after observing multiple occurrences of this on Global after just a few hundred hands played.

I have asked you to provide evidence of multiple occurrences of quads over quads in just a few hundred hands. Are you now denying that you have observed such a thing?

Challenge accepted. I am vision impaired to the point that the keyboard on a laptop puts me to far away from the screen to see so I can only use mobile. Reply with instructions on how to post images from mobile. I will take a screenshot shot when I sit at the table. The UI shows a clock on the top right corner. I will then take a screenshot wh.en the hands table. On Global FR games run 70-85 hands/hour so you can use the elapsed time to calculate the number of hands seen.

Challenge accepted. I am vision impaired to the point that the keyboard on a laptop puts me to far away from the screen to see so I can only use mobile. Reply with instructions on how to post images from mobile. I will take a screenshot shot when I sit at the table. The UI shows a clock on the top right corner. I will then take a screenshot wh.en the hands table. On Global FR games run 70-85 hands/hour so you can use the elapsed time to calculate the number of hands seen.

EDIT: The UI shows a clock on the top LEFT corner.

EDIT: The reason I will show screenshots instead of hand histories is because whenever I go to the Gameplay History menu it's always blank. I confirmed this a couple of days ago when I had yet another glitch and tried to look for the hand to take a screenshot.

This wont be much of a challenge for you right? Because it was you who said

Therefore all you need to do is play 1k hands on a day. According to you this will means you will be seeing multiple quads over quads. It happens every few 100 hundred hands so theres no way you have to wait long for it. You can then screenshot them with date shown so everybody can see that quads over quads is a very regular occurence on Global poker.

Good luck

You forgot to provide the instructions...