kjs facing preflop blind all in
1/3 full table on saturday night,this guy didnt look his cards and announced all in preflop 。 I have KJs on CO, call or not? almost 300 bb shove。 This crazy guy did this blind all in a few times。He won half hands soo far。
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effective stack is $900。
Is he the effective stack? Are you deeper versus the players to act.
I would say allin. You are 61% against a random hand. Sometimes one of the 3 players to act will call with better hands.
If you don't want to gamble, it is probably OK to fold, but going allin should be $EV+.
effective stack is 300 bb($900)。big blind yet to act has about $1.2k。The crazy blind all in guy has $900。
It really has little to the odds. You're ahead, but have a decent chance of losing. If that is going to cause you to end your night or tilt you, fold. If not, call.
Sure。Decent chance of losing all 。His random cards turned out to be QTs。
Your expected win is about $190 HU. It is significantly less than that due to occasionally getting cold called by a strong range. My rough calculations are it is about +$100EV.
I just won a big hand a few hands earlier。 i was sitting with $900。I was thinking it took me 5 hours to double my stack。Now is it worth gambing?
Still what venice10 wrote, but considering you had to explain that to us, it sounds like a fold for you.
yes, i folded。The guy flipped over his cards。QTs。I would probably call if i didn't win a big hand earlier。Its 2am in the morning and time to go back home。
We're getting 60% to 40%. Even if another V wakes up with a hand, we're still getting the right odds against something like AQ three ways. We are only in really bad shape against about 5% of hands and if we call, it isn't a given that the remaining players will call with AJo or KQo - I think a lot of players fold as strong as KQs once a player looks and calls.
So I'm calling with KJs all day (and night).
V is going to look like he wins half the time, because he's usually a 60/40 dog and that looks a lot like half the time in a slow game like poker. Casinos make millions on much smaller advantages. If someone offers you a couple hundred bucks, pick it up.
It's almost 200 if it goes HU. Less if it goes 3-way. Not sure the exact expected profit, but definitely between 100 and 160. I would expect a cold call range to be something like 99+/AQ+, which would make it HU like 85% of the time. At worst, it goes HU 75% of the time. Anyway, your hand is only is really bad shape against AA/KK.
I can see that an amateur player with 900 who bought in for 300 or 500 would just want to go home with the profit, although it is passing up a big edge.
It is sort of like a tournament problem, you need a stronger hand to call in ep than in the BB. The shove should really go through often, as the SB and BB theoretically don't need much of a hand to call.
I’m sure these guys are giving you good advice. Personally, when I’m in this situation, I’m not that crazy about paint. I’ll call with any pocket pair because it’s a made hand, assuming no one else is coming in.
Maybe I have equity but it always seems like a coin flip when every hand has a 32% chance of connecting with the flop. I guess I’m hesitant because it feels pretty bad when your KJ faces 38 and he flops a three.
To each their own - I don’t play the lottery very much either
I’ve often wondered why people do this, because it’s not terribly uncommon. I tried to help a guy I liked one time, but soon realized he didn’t want to listen to reason.
If you’re really rich and enjoy throwing money around, it kind of makes sense, but that’s not the description of most of these people.
No one can answer your question sir
This falls under the category of
You can play your cards anyway you feel like it!
As for pps, 66 is about as good as KJs against a random hand 22 is much weaker, If you are shoving in a tournament 22 is close to as good as 66, because you aren't getting called by 55 or A5s. Random hands include a lot of low cards though.
You can fold to avoid variance. However, if you are averaging a $30/hour win rate at 1/3, then picking up $150 in EV is 5 hours play.
Seems like we get one of these "V is all-in for piles in the dark" threads every week.
I got to the casino to play poker, not flip for $900 stacks. If this guy does this every hand, I'd just fold every marginal hand and pay the $4 in blinds every orbit while waiting to pick up something that's worth $900.
There was a thread before where someone called something like this with K3o or something like that with players to act and people were saying it was a good play. That was a bad call, but KJs is a good call.
Ture story: In my game last night, four players were all-in pre-flop, but for only about $150 in a 1/2 game. One guy folded QQ to the all-in (LOL). It was KJo vs TT vs 77 vs unknown hand. Runout: KK9K2.
KJ is the nuts!
I’m sure these guys are giving you good advice. Personally, when I’m in this situation, I’m not that crazy about paint. I’ll call with any pocket pair because it’s a made hand, assuming no one else is coming in.Maybe I have equity but it always seems like a coin flip when every hand has a 32% chance of connecting with the flop. I guess I’m hesitant because it feels pretty bad w
From a strategy point of view, this is absolutely terrible advice. You'd rather have 22 vs. KJs because it's a "made hand"? That means nothing, all that matters is what transpires after the board is dealt. KJs is certainly a favorite over 22. Hell, 54s is a favorite over 22. Have you ever read the AKo vs. 76s vs. 22 hustle?
KJs is a raw equity dog to 20% of hands, so of course if you're last to act it's a snap call. But there's 3 players after left to act so you've got 4 random hands to consider. Odds that at least 1 player has a favored hand against KJs is 59%. Naturally hands such as A2o almost certainly aren't going to call an all in and a call though.
Calling with KJs is profitable here but I don't think it's as +EV as many think. From the button forward it's probably a snap call.
But as mentioned, OP did the right thing in folding as they are playing with scared money as well as not being able to approximate any sort of equity.
Bottom line is poker is a competitive game where money is the measuring stick. If others are trying to give it away you jump on every +EV opportunity you can find.
I agree with nt on pretty much everything. I have done calculations. It depends on assumptions of cold calling ranges, but KJs is at least +$100EV.
I find it amazing there was another thread with a smaller allin, and most people were arguing to call with K3o because it was good for the game and you almost never get overcalled, etc. That one is clearly -$EV. Maybe because it was only like $400 rather than $900 people wanted to gamble.