Venezuela
Is Venezuela lost for decades? Is it going to become a full blown pariah state? The opposition leader Guido seems like a
Are the Dems outraged? This seems to be a bipartisan effort. Even Mamdani was taking shots at Maduro. Someone up in an oak chair in Harvard said the latest Venezuelan election was stolen so that's good enough as a basis to invade the country.Wait. So if Venezuela thought Gore won the 2000 election then they had the right to invade us? That doesn't seem right. Scenarios where th
This whole post seems based on the faulty premise that we have to make a binary choice between "Maduro is a good guy" and "the recent U.S. action was justified."
it shows that Russia was absolutely correct to invade Ukraine. and it showed once again that I underestimated the evil and depravity of the Empire. Putin would have been getting assraped to death by Israeli trained good ole boys and Russia would have been asset stripped and split up if he hadnt. and for the record, yes I will admit that until now I was absolutely wrong in be
You said “Russia was absolutely correct to invade Ukraine” and “yes I will admit that until now I was absolutely wrong in believing he was wrong to invade from a moral … standpoint”
which I guess then when you say “it was given the context. there is no morality. its Law of the Jungle. its the Wild West.” you mean that people should have understood properly from what you said that you mean it was the right thing to do from a moral standpoint because there is no morality?
well if there is no morality then nothing can be good from a moral standpoint, so that’s a contradiction. Do you want us to read what you write as implying a contradiction whenever you write?
Colombian guerrillas vow to spend 'last drop of blood fighting the US empire' after attack on Venezuela
Colombia's National Liberation Army (ELN) and dissident factions of the former FARC rebel group issued defiant statements following the U.S. military operation in Venezuela that led to the capture of Nicolás Maduro, framing the attack as a violation of regional sovereignty and vowing armed resistance against Washington.
In a statement released by its Eastern War Front, the ELN said that "once again U.S. imperialism violates the national sovereignty of the countries of Our America and the world," and rejected what it described as a U.S. attack on the "Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela."
The group expressed "solidarity and support for the Venezuelan people and government" and called on Latin American nations to "reject the gringo aggression, defend national sovereignty, and embrace unity and popular resistance," as Infobae reports.
I never said any country had an obligation to roll over for any reason. But the idea that the only alternative to rolling over was to invade Ukraine is of course nonsensical.
ok what was the alternative? ask nicely? please mister Imperial master dont invade us and abduct our leaders and slaughter our soldiers (no one talks about the 80 Venezuelans exterminated in cold blood btw. the press and the narrative in the West is that this was largely bloodless. bc Venezuelan lives dont matter ofc. imagine if 80 Israeli soldiers were killed. we would never hear the end of it.) and abduct our leaders to get assraped to death by Israeli trained torturers.
Russia actually did ask nicely to not fight btw that fwiw. they asked nicely to help with the GWOT. this is why I criticize Russia. they want to be USA lite.
Wait a minute, I thought Russia invaded Ukraine to kill nazis, at least that’s what victor repeated ad nauseam.
I actually said many times that I did not know exactly why they invaded. but, as many here like to point out, I am a stupid person. I am also extremely propagandized by Western narratives. I think we saw with Maduro (and with Gaza) exactly why Russia invaded.
Are the Dems outraged? This seems to be a bipartisan effort. Even Mamdani was taking shots at Maduro. Someone up in an oak chair in Harvard said the latest Venezuelan election was stolen so that's good enough as a basis to invade the country.Wait. So if Venezuela thought Gore won the 2000 election then they had the right to invade us? That doesn't seem right. Scenarios where th
He also had machine guns and was selling us subpar blow.
Victor is rejecting all the options in the U.S. because none are sufficiently leftist, or at least that is what he thinks he is doing. In other words, Victor would not be rejecting all the options (or he thinks he wouldn't be rejecting all the options) if he lived in Cuba.As for who I think better fits your description, I'll pass. I've mentioned names before. No need to pile
That still fits the description, though. Nothing is "pure" enough, so all of it is bad. From there, it's easy to take the moral high ground.
Fair enough on not naming.
Wait a minute, I thought Russia invaded Ukraine to kill nazis, at least that’s what victor repeated ad nauseam.
Oh, he did... but it mainly all revolves around the fact that Ukraine gets US support, US supports Israel. Israeli's bad.... because you know... everything ends up being about Israel. It has nothing to do w/ being antiemetic, though. It's just a moral posture.
Ignore all the posts where Israel is always brought up, even when it has nothing to do w/ the topic.
Are the Dems outraged? This seems to be a bipartisan effort. Even Mamdani was taking shots at Maduro. Someone up in an oak chair in Harvard said the latest Venezuelan election was stolen so that's good enough as a basis to invade the country.Wait. So if Venezuela thought Gore won the 2000 election then they had the right to invade us? That doesn't seem right. Scenarios where th
Well, they've stated they were lied to in the meeting about this, so I'd say yes.
But corporate dems will always be in lock stop w/ industry and the military industrial complex. That's just how things roll.
‘They lied to our face’: Democrats decry Trump’s military raid on Venezuela
I actually said many times that I did not know exactly why they invaded. but, as many here like to point out, I am a stupid person. I am also extremely propagandized by Western narratives. I think we saw with Maduro (and with Gaza) exactly why Russia invaded.
And why North Korea will never stop having nukes.
The U.S. is mandating a might-makes-right world. The larger, more industrially flexible and technologically proficient countries are not going to sit there and wait their turn to get raped. And when you consider where might-makes-right gets you long term, you have to worry about China because they are going to win if you force all competition into that arena. They simply have more people and, frankly, better people. They are able to act as one people. Do you think these gen Z incels and social media twits are going to pick up a gun and die for country? These kids wouldn't peel themselves away from their screens if foreign tanks were rolling down the streets of their neighborhoods. Might makes right isn't just wrong ethically - it's a terrible strategy given who we are, who our rivals are, and the problems facing the globe now.
And why North Korea will never stop having nukes.
The U.S. is mandating a might-makes-right world.
Sure. Same reason why it’s shortsighted for people to accept Russian dominance over Ukraine. Russia has guaranteed that no country will ever give up its nukes, as Ukraine did and look what happened to them.
Oh, he did... but it mainly all revolves around the fact that Ukraine gets US support, US supports Israel. Israeli's bad.... because you know... everything ends up being about Israel. It has nothing to do w/ being antiemetic, though. It's just a moral posture.
Ignore all the posts where Israel is always brought up, even when it has nothing to do w/ the topic.
Israel is a bad bc they just slaughtered 100s of thousands of children for fun and profit. I get that you guys think it is antisemitic to hold Israel to the same standards as I would hold any other country or group of people. dun cur.
Victor/Deuces never fails to entertain...hilarious how he debates himself
ok what was the alternative? ask nicely? please mister Imperial master dont invade us and abduct our leaders and slaughter our soldiers (no one talks about the 80 Venezuelans exterminated in cold blood btw. the press and the narrative in the West is that this was largely bloodless. bc Venezuelan lives dont matter ofc. imagine if 80 Israeli soldiers were killed. we would ne
You apparently buy into the idea that Russia had to invade Ukraine to protect itself. I do not. Because we don't even agree on the shape of the table, further discussion is pointless.
I don't think that Russia had to invade Ukraine tod efned itself but the idea that Russia had no concerns about the expansion of NATO (in reality the usa) was also nonsense.
None of us should trust the USA but that's no reason for the UK to invade Ireland.
You apparently buy into the idea that Russia had to invade Ukraine to protect itself. I do not. Because we don't even agree on the shape of the table, further discussion is pointless.
There was no territorial threat to Russia from Europe, and there has not been one for the last 8 decades. Anyone who believes otherwise is an idiot. Their motivations for being an idiot might differ, but the conclusion remains. There are only two actual territorial threats to Russia.
The first is internal, because the Russian federation is a corruptly mishandled continuation of a colonial empire rife with discrimination and racism, thus you get separatists in the member Republics or simply people who believe the experiment should end.
The second is their ally China. While they have seemingly good diplomatic relations for the time being, this has not always been the case. There is Russian land that was historically part of the Chinese empire (much of it ceded through the treaty of Aigun), and though relations are peaceful now, these are both countries that aggressively pursue irredentism. A weak Russia, possibly fragmented internally, would certainly invite Chinese nationalist sentiment to expand territory. We also have historically seen relations between Russia and China crumble from seemingly good terms.
There are of course also some territorial disputes (Kirgil islands / Japan, Arctic regions / other Arctic nations), but these are not really threats to any territorial integrity.
We keep saying "Russia" did this or " The United States" did that but in reality the decision to go into Ukraine lies solely on Putins shoulders and the decision to go into Venezuela lies solely on trump's shoulders. I doubt seriously that either happens if the people, or even a body of elected officials, decided it. This is but one of the dangers of concentrating power at the top.
Btw, every day we creep closer to the current Russia model. It is increasingly impossible to remove trump before he dies.
Paranoia explains a lot of what dictators (and wannabe dictators lol) do.
Comrade Victor turning into a bad imitation of a Russian disinformation Twitter account is as sad as seeing the constant debate with him
We keep saying "Russia" did this or " The United States" did that but in reality the decision to go into Ukraine lies solely on Putins shoulders and the decision to go into Venezuela lies solely on trump's shoulders. I doubt seriously that either happens if the people, or even a body of elected officials, decided it. This is but one of the dangers of concentrating power at th
the crimes of the USA are so extensive that its absurd to just blame it all on Trump. the point of a system is what it does.
decision to go into Venezuela lies solely on trump's shoulders.
its a direct refutation of this idea.
you guys act like this stuff happens in a vacuum.
