3-bet flop with bottom set on slightly dry board
1/3 game 9-handed at Virginia Casino. Seems to be typical low stakes game with little 3-betting and not a crazy amount o
Maybe the play is to just call and allow your opponent to keep bluffing (if they are bluffing)? Making it $160 like you did might fold out every hand we beat with the exception of 22 (and we're still getting stacked by 99). Given that both players just called pre they shouldn't really have over pairs, but still I think if you had asked people what to do with A9 facing the flop
I feel like my 1/3 opponents are rarely raising A9 here. I feel like its mostly sets, nut flush draws, and combo draws. Curious if others would really consider flatting the raise on the flop because I see that as very suboptimal in my low-limit games where few opponents have raise/fold buttons and there are a lot of cards that can kill our action on the turn. I might be more sympathetic to that argument if I had bottom set and was losing to 6 combos of sets and beating none.
Yes I've been on and off posting here for a while, but remember reading quite a few reverses so maybe that's a relatively new rule so I apologize. I disagree with you though, and don't think the hand is very interesting from my perspective on the river. Would anyone really consider folding given the pot odds and second nuts in a low limit game
We could have discussed how best to play your hand, and what range to give V. We didn't need for it to be a reverse HH.
If you just told us you flopped middle set on 952 two-tone, stabbed at it, and got raised, we'd have had a fine discussion about how often V has 99, 22, a combo draw, some odd over-play, an air-ball, etc. It could be an interesting discussion when V raises to $50, and has $390 left. There's still enough stack depth to consider the merits of 3B'ing vs calling when we're OOP, and what size you should use.
We don't need folding to be an option to make it interesting. That said, I'd think we could debate raise-folding to a 4B. I'm sure some here would say the 4B has to be 99. Since I was considering folding 22 to the 3B, I might be among those saying the 4B looks pretty nutted.
I feel like my 1/3 opponents are rarely raising A9 here. I feel like its mostly sets, nut flush draws, and combo draws. Curious if others would really consider flatting the raise on the flop because I see that as very suboptimal in my low-limit games where few opponents have raise/fold buttons and there are a lot of cards that can kill our action on the turn. I might be more sy
It's an awkward spot on the flop. I probably would have used a larger size for our first bet, which may have made our next decision easier. If we potted it, it makes it harder for V to raise to a size that can still fold to a 3B. A larger flop bet make it easier to get stacks in by the river, no matter what happens.
As played, I could see arguments for flatting, min-clicking, and raising to various sizes. Maybe even calling and donking turn.
For that matter, we may have had a debate about 3B'ing pre. If V cold calls, and raises our flop c-bet, the two hands play themselves.
I would disagree that getting more than 2 to 1 odds, its even debatable folding 55 on a 952 board at low limits. Just accounting for spazz factor, let alone 22 and nut flush draw.
With our stack I really want to jam that, but a 4 bet at least is in order. "Dry board" with a FD at 1/3? If villain is good then so be it. We're short with a biggie, and it's not like this would be the first pot we've ever lost. Villain is tight postflop but plays a lot of flops? At 1/3 live there is little reason to overthink unless we're short on bankroll. Yes, we could play it cuter to extract more chips but take what villain gives in this spot. I pop V back.
ETA - I now see this was a reverse hh. Nice hand. Congratulations on your set over set.
More than most people, I fold a lot of little pairs. But I don’t really want people to know, because of board coverage.
Does anyone have some clarity on this they could pass on. I mean I don’t want people to think I could never have a set on a low board, but reality is I rarely do.
I’m not willing to set mine from every position. How do you cover yourself in theory or am I overthinking this.
Set over set hand histories for 150bb effective are silly. This isn't worthwhile to discuss because this is just a cooler.
I am just going to laugh if anyone tries to convince me that over calling pocket 22 here preflop is bad.
So the preflop discussion is pointless too.
I am just going to laugh if anyone tries to convince me that over calling pocket 22 here preflop is bad.
So the preflop discussion is pointless too.
I'll give it to you that this is likely a profitable call at a typical loose/passive 1/3 game. However at a good, aggressive table where you're going to get squeezed a lot (more typical at 2/5 or 5/10+) it's likely a leak to call. So it warrants discussion, IMO. If you look at pre flop GTO charts 22 is typically a fold facing a raise in these positions.
