Late night wake up alarm with OESFD

V1 usually has an overpair. Worst case, V2 has a set or a higher flush draw and you are 43%. It may be better to flat call so deep.

If all you want is 300 and go home, this hand could be a problem and put you back in the blender.

However,

You are about 70% against random hands and also a favorite vs aces. You already know villain will stack off with aces.

I don’t think you can keep this pot small, so if you’re not going to fold, I like aggression. I would raise to 750. I feel like I’m value betting and the math feels that way too.

My impression is that v2 wants to narrow the field - hoping you go away and he’s left with the fish. Sounds like you have a pretty good read on v2, so I like this min-raise.

Don’t know your mood, but I’m ready to jam it on in if raised, but I expect they both call and see the turn. Want to keep the pressure on v1 because if he rips it, v2 may fold.

The turn could be great or a miss, but with a pot sized bet left you have options. Can’t really continue without knowing villain’s reactions to the raise.

Bottom line is this draw is a favorite, and If you miss on the turn it becomes a coin flip. But you will lose sometimes and be right back in the hole for this session. If you really wanted to win 300 and get out of there, you should have folded pre-flop.

He is not HU. His draw is not the favorite assuming one has the bigger flush draw and one has the set or an overpair. Then he is drawing to 8 outs. Even if drawing to 15 outs so it is an overpair and a set unless he hits the turn if V2 goes all in or V1 goes all in with V2 left to act behind H has issues. Of course if H hits turn it is great and if you do not believe either V will bet big on turn on blanks so you get 2 cards for $300 it is a good deal but V2 betting $300 into $230 makes this seem unlikely. If H misses turn 15 outs once is not a coinflip and if board paired might be a 2 outer.

You are actually 32% against a higher flush draw and a big pair and 28% against a higher flush draw and a set. You have 8 outs as the all the straight outs are good, even if a flush hits.

You certainly could shove and often get HU and occasionally take it. If you get HU allin with dead money or allin 3 ways, it can't be more than slightly $EV-. Flat calling is tricky, but might be better.

I would fold this hand preflop initially, but I know this is OP's style, and it is OK.

Good point polar, I was thinking from a heads up perspective. I’m not sure I would necessarily consider such strong hands from each villain, but there’s probably no fold equity. This is a bigger gamble than I initially thought.

There is fold equity in a way. Villain 1 probably has an overpair and may not be willing to go allin with it 3 ways.

If one has AA and the other 97s for 2 pair, then you are 52% 3-way.

Thinking about it, I would shove.

I would fold pre and call the flop raise.

If you flat call, you may have to fold the turn if you miss and if you hit a plain flush, you won't know if it is good.

I hate being this guy, but you can definitely just fold this hand pre (probably both times, but I would RFI at a soft table too) and save yourself a lot of headaches. V1's range is so strong, and you are never going HU after you call, so it's reallllly difficult to realize your equity (and whatever skill edge you have.) Your hand also plays really badly multiway IMO.

I might raise flop facing the first bet and try to get it in versus V1's overpairs with our 15-out draw. As played, we can't really fold and we can't really call, so it seems like backjam is the only play. You might actually have a shred of fold equity, too.

I sometimes fold to the 3bet, but I totally understand the call. As played, I most likely just call the flop raise. There are times I would shove, like when I'm willing to gamble or my fold equity is really high, but at this point in the morning when the game is probably breaking and I'm not going to re-buy, just call and see a turn. V2 has got to have a set or at least nut flush draw.

Grunch:

PRE - T8s is probably too wide to open MP in this game. Not sure what we're hoping for when we make it $10. Seems like we're inviting 3B's. Not sure why we'd want that, if we're not using that size to induce, so we can 4B.

V1's 3B is kind of small. I'm already hating this situation, because we're getting a good price to continue, but our hand is marginal, nowhere near strong enough to want to 4B, and when we call we can be pretty sure V2 is going to come along, so we'll be monkey-in-the-middle.

I could almost see an argument for 4B'ing, if we thought they'd both fold. Doesn't sound like V1 has much of a fold button, and if 3B's have been rare, it seems even less likely. Maybe the best case scenario is we push V1 out and get this HU and IP. So, I dunno, I might click this back.

FLOP - I'd seriously consider raising right away when V1 bets 60% pot on this board. I really want to push V2's better flush draws out. We have so much equity in our hand, I'm not worried about the fold equity we don't have vs V1. If we raise and he 3B's, so long as the size is reasonable, I'd call.

As played, when we call and V2 makes it $300, something smells kind of fishy. There's already $235 in the pot. I'd think he'd want to bet much larger with 2P+. And V1 not looking happy about the situation REALLY makes me want to back-raise. This looks like V2 wants us to fold our draws.

I might make a play for this right now, and jam.

All in, we have so much equity.

I would only sometimes play direct suited connectors. Once you open, I don't think anyone would fold to the small 3! very deep. If anything, it is an advantage if you can put him on a tight range, maybe winning a big pot against a big pair.

You have to shove, because even worse case is only a little EV-. Maybe you take it down or get HU. Maybe no one has a set or higher flush draw and it winds up being very EV+. It is really good if you gii 3-way against a set and another set, 2-pair or AA/KK, or better two made hands that are not sets.

I don't think it is easy to play flat calling. If you miss the turn, and one player bets, you don't know if the other will go allin, and you won't have odds to gii on the turn if you miss.

Result:

Nice! Score one for all the drunken bananas of the world.

Don't ever change, Banana.

Well now we have to stay.

Also, how does he fold KhKx getting these oddS?

I see this trend in a lot of your posts. You think everyone is going all out with overpairs and always raising and jamming. It’s just one pair and two players are putting in massive amounts.

Even as short as he is, he doesn't have odds to call it off versus what looks like a set at worst, 2P at best, and what might be merely a NFD from the other villain. Nevermind the OESFD Banana actually had.

When reading this, I couldn't figure out whether it was better to call, keeping the whale & their obv OP in, and helping out H's odds on future streets, or jamming and guaranteeing H would see 5. Usually, I like jamming, as H's equity drops a lot on a blank turn, and often a whale is just going to call anyway, because that's what they do. But this whale seemed to be elastic with their call freq, and actually was.

It's not that think everyone's always going broke with over-pairs, though I do think a lot of bad players have trouble folding them, even in spots where it's obvious they should.

It's mostly that I think Banana's line looks FOS, V2 doesn't look all that strong, and KhKx is actually doing okay here, versus two ranges that would mostly seem to be 2P at best but with a lot of draws, and even some worse value.

If Banana raised next to act when it was first on him, and then V2 3B, it's an easier fold. But Banana's call-jam looks exactly like what it is, and V2's smallish raise / pained back-jam smells fishy AF. When it gets back to him, V1 is getting an insanely good price to call off the rest.

If we think someone has a set here, okay, that's different. I wasn't giving V2 sets with the action V1 saw.

You got it in 53% with dead money, not considering the dead Kh. KK would have been 15% 3-way with the bdfd. It was obviously a good fold. V1 played badly preflop with the small 3! multiway deep. It was sort of obvious he had a big pair. You gii sort of good, but huge gamble for a 1/3 game.

Typical 1/3 game with everyone playing T8s and 97s and the 3! being too small and being a big pair.

Seriously. What?

I agree Banana's line when he calls and then shoves doesn't look strong but if I'm V1 I am obviously worried about V2 and rightfully so.

This deep KK is an easy fold probably to the first raise and most definitely to the shove and it's really not even close. KK ran into the BOTTOM of both ranges and still wasn't doing great.

It's a small raise?