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Right and the argument is the officer was in danger from the vehicle which in that very rule says you can use deadly force . no one in the entire world is disputing 1-16.200 its if it justified by section 2
You think the officer was in danger from the vehicle when firing from beside the car through the open window, which is INDISPUTABLY where he was for shots two and three?
It will be pretty easy to demonstrate he was not in danger for shot 1, but there's not even a discussion for 2 and 3.
ADDITIONALLY, he put himself there. The only reason he is in any danger is he walked in front of her vehicle. This is officer-created jeopardy and removes the justification.
You think the officer was in danger from the vehicle when firing from beside the car through the open window, which is INDISPUTABLY where he was for shots two and three?It will be pretty easy to demonstrate he was not in danger for shot 1, but there's not even a discussion for 2 and 3.ADDITIONALLY, he put himself there. The only reason he is in any danger is he walked in front
well thats the debate right. There's a few videos floating around where officers were ran over and killed in 2 seconds. In hindsight he was never going to die from this angle but he has to make a split second decision . hes watching the driver not the direction of the tires underneath. and in most videos it looks like hes at least grazed if not completely bumped even after he moved out of the way. The body cam will be interesting because we will have his vision and pov that's how a real decision will be made. There was also an officer with his hand in her windows and another semi stuck on the door. There safety could be argued as well There was alot going on. If she was going straight severe damage was certainly possible
Right and the argument is the officer was in danger from the vehicle which in that very rule says you can use deadly force . no one in the entire world is disputing 1-16.200 its if it justified by section 2"Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly
The car backed up in a way that I would assume they were getting ready to leave, meaning they were going to soon put the car in drive and leave the scene.
I would probably get out of the way. This officer instead was so butthurt and emasculated by these loudmouth women not complying with their authority he began to instead draw his gun. This is an ego thing, not self-defense. I don't blame this guy for not following procedure because he was probably stocking shelves at Walmart a year ago and had the minimal amount of training. I blame him for having the least bit of common sense for self preservation. It's pretty damn easy in that situation to not put yourself in harm's way and again, absolutely no reason to have a gun involved.
It's just a bad argument to say the 1st shot was legitimate after making so many bad decisions that led to it.
does it lead to murder charges? I have no doubt it gets him in some doo doo but I don't think its the life sentence ive seen thrown around
Normally I doubt would be murder but because of the high profile of the case the prosecutor may feel pressured to go for the highest possible charge. Should be for sure manslaughter and some other negligent type charges. A solid 10 years I guess normally but again, given the high profile of the case now will get the high end of sentencing. He better hope the guards have his back. Ice agent in prison is not going to be any picnic.
Ya your saying the same thing cop is not allowed to do this.(infront of car) but he did its called a mistake
As for him being butthurt hes not even the officer who started the arrest which led to her fleeing another guy ran up to the drivers seat and told her she was under arrest and tried to open the door . This guy was a couple feet away and didn't even start the event. He was just in a dumb spot. im not even sure the gunman had interacted with them before he probably did but ive never seen it. probably watching the gf off to the side and not paying attention to the car. I imagine officer involved shootings often favor the police to protect them as it should. I think if it was a no profile shooting hes looking at manslaughter which is like 3-5 years in canada? no idea in the states. My guess is They would come to a deal pay them lots of money and he would be sacked
it's a losing battle to debate the nittery of an event that resulted in a woman being point blank shot in the face over nothing
When you give low iq people guns and pump them full of racist rhetoric and propaganda bad things will happen. Surprise surprise.
Also just wondering who are the mods here and how is Victor allowed to post lies and disinformation with no repercussion? It’s worse than TikTok here. No exaggeration it’s a nonstop avalanche of lies and deceit.
Victor must have some Epstein level blackmail at his disposal.
Normally I doubt would be murder but because of the high profile of the case the prosecutor may feel pressured to go for the highest possible charge. Should be for sure manslaughter and some other negligent type charges. A solid 10 years I guess normally but again, given the high profile of the case now will get the high end of sentencing. He better hope the guards have his bac
there is no way this goes to trial. the guy is being treated as a hero.
like you guys are debating the legality of this when the right has salivated over shooting smarmy libs for decades now. as Mark Ames said, the right is orgiastic over this right now.
theres the law and theres the facts on the ground. the facts are what matter and the reality is that these guys are paid and promoted to **** up enemies of the right.
its hilarious how people in this thread are posting videos about fascism one second and then trying to cite the law as a gotcha the next. methinks they should watch their own videos. you think the gestapo gave a **** about the law when arresting undesirables? this is what the impotent and collaborationist Democratic party gets you. and yet these people (not you 5 south) will still defend it til their dying breath (which will likely come at the hands of a pedophile IDF trained mass murderer).
there is no way this goes to trial. the guy is being treated as a hero. like you guys are debating the legality of this when the right has salivated over shooting smarmy libs for decades now. as Mark Ames said, the right is orgiastic over this right now.theres the law and theres the facts on the ground. the facts are what matter and the reality is that these guys are paid a
You campaigned for Trump you spineless worm.
victor is on fire tonight I agree with at least 2/4 maybe 2.5/4 . I don't actually care about the legality at all I just love a good debate no one right leaning cares if it was justified or not . Liberals should be playing offense not defense or . surrendering is also fine. but this defensive playing by the rules **** is gonna get you no where do you guys know what's going on internationally? probably not
victor is on fire tonight I agree with at least 2/4 maybe 2.5/4 . I don't actually care about the legality at all I just love a good debate no one right leaning cares if it was justified or not . Liberals should be playing defense not offense or surrendering. surrendering is also fine. but this defensive playing by the rules **** is gonna get you no where do you guys know wha
What is going on internationally? Fill us in.
If you find yourself agreeing with Victor that’s a good point to stop and reconsider your position. Victors positions are complete telegraphed from CRINK propaganda. If it was up to Victor this lady would be shot in the face and end of story.
The fact that Victor doesn’t even understand where his talking points come from is besides the point and if you don’t get this then you’re lost.
Ya your saying the same thing cop is not allowed to do this.(infront of car) but he did its called a mistakeAs for him being butthurt hes not even the officer who started the arrest which led to her fleeing another guy ran up to the drivers seat and told her she was under arrest and tried to open the door . This guy was a couple feet away and didn't even start the event. He was
So you agree your statement that the first shot may have been legitimate is not correct? It was mistake after mistake leading to it so how can that shot also not be a mistake/illegitimate?
Maybe you mean it was understandable given the situation he put himself in?
I don't find it defensible in any way. It was so easy to not have anyone die during that interaction.
dude your so dense I said 3 times even a 20 second google search confirmed for me thats true. Were talking about a completely different thing its not my fault you can't read . Ice can do everything else and even your "traffic violation" can easily just be thrown under another category which is what we were discussing.... If a "traffic violation" is "obstructing" them they can a
You realize you’re contradicting yourself in this paragraph, right? It’s just analytically the case that if they can’t enforce traffic laws, they can’t violate someone for a traffic law. I already motivated the premise that they were not being obstructed so are you going to chimp out again or respond to my argument?
It looks to me like they absolutely have the authority to enforce traffic violations regardless of whatever the laws say. In fact they can shoot people for traffic violations.
You’re just equivocating on the word “authority” here, so it’s not even the same thing that we’re talking about. It’s also like saying that a murder isn’t illegal because the murderer got away with it. We’re just talking about two completely different things so why even make this level 0 ******ed claim.
Also just laughing at Victor alleging that this ICE agent was trained by the IDF when the reality is he was probably barely trained.
there is no way this goes to trial. the guy is being treated as a hero. like you guys are debating the legality of this when the right has salivated over shooting smarmy libs for decades now. as Mark Ames said, the right is orgiastic over this right now.theres the law and theres the facts on the ground. the facts are what matter and the reality is that these guys are paid a
Right, you think you’re a communist revolutionary but won’t put your life on the line. You’re the epitome of a coward. Too old to fight but not old enough to fedpost on some crusty corner of the internet. Just a pathetic human being you are.
What happened in this news cycle lets see? Im sure its factitious but im on one I cant help my self I need sleep send help
-Kidnapped a seated world leader mostly to help control future oil supply's
-But also as leverage against Canada because Venezuela is are only hard oil competitor in the world and America is dependent on Canadian hard oil because of refineries despite having an oil surplus. which you keep threatening to annex so to bully and annex us you need to remove that dependencie
-The kidnaping was also leverage against cuba which you also threatened to invade. rubio wants his island back
-Then they got cocky and started threatening to invade a second allied nation for Greenland which you already pretty much control and have actually reduced military based on lately. Its a play for the artic since your claim is pretty weak compared to Canada Russia and Denmark
-Im sure a bunch of interesting stuff happened in the massive Ukraine war no one really notices that anymore oh ya france and someone else promised troops after the war and everyone else laughed at them
-Now in a surprisingly actually kind of based move we side stepped from threatening to invade allies were looking to help overthrow the Iranian dictator theocracy which is almost certainly going to collapse this month because of are glorious Persian heros.
And thats a week. World cup gonna be the bomb is it to late to make these country's co hosts and get them in there?
BUT WE OUT HERE SPENDING ALL WEEK TALKING ABOUT A KAREN BTW
You realize you’re contradicting yourself in this paragraph, right? It’s just analytically the case that if they can’t enforce traffic laws, they can’t violate someone for a traffic law. I already motivated the premise that they were not being obstructed so are you going to chimp out again or respond to my argument?
Thats like kind of your opinion man. they will just call it something else to make it legal..... something like.... terrorism? oh I got an idea lets call it domestic terrorism
You’re just equivocating on the word “authority” here, so it’s not even the same thing that we’re talking about. It’s also like saying that a murder isn’t illegal because the murderer got away with it. We’re just talking about two completely different things so why even make this level 0 ******ed claim.
no I am saying the law doesnt matter to the people who are getting shot in the face, tortured to death, and whose kids are getting trafficked by ICE. its a stupid academic debate on if American law deems this illegal. its de facto legal bc this guy and the last guy and the next guy will face no punishment nor will ICE and your hero Dems will continue funding ICE. it mirrors the International Law debates. this is the law of the jungle. the only thing that matters is the ability project force. I am telling you guys that this #noKings crap and voting for collaborationist Dems is not going to fix this.
If you're worried about getting ran over by a car, don't stand in front of the car. She was being super annoying and "disobedient" but was not posing any physical threat to anybody. There was no reason to have a gun out in the first place.
He wasn't worried until she gunned it while he was standing in front of the car.
What happened in this news cycle lets see? Im sure its factitious but im on one I cant help my self I need sleep send help -Kidnapped a seated world leader mostly to help control future oil supply's -But also as leverage against Canada because Venezuela is are only hard oil competitor in the world and America is dependent on Canadian hard oil because of refineries despite havi
How is any of this relevant?
also ill make one last post on this silly subject to you silly people arguing law since it came up like 7 times where people keep saying this traffic violation nonsense. she was being a arrested for a real legit charge
8 usc 1357
grants immigration officers broad authority to interrogate, search, and arrest individuals (including citizens in limited cases) believed to be violating immigration laws, allowing them to enter private property (with exceptions for agricultural areas without warrants) and administer oaths for evidence collection, all under regulations by the Attorney General, essentially empowering them to enforce the Immigration and Nationality Act
Key Powers Granted by 8 U.S.C. § 1357:
Interrogation: Authority to question anyone suspected of being an alien about their right to be in the U.S..
Search & Seizure: Power to search premises and seize individuals or evidence related to immigration violations.
Arrest: Ability to arrest individuals without a warrant if they have probable cause to believe the person is in violation of immigration law.
They were using this to search and detain her she ran and broke the law. I understand she wouldn't have been found guilty of being an immigrant and it would not have stuck. That doesn't matter law enforcement uses things like this to get searches as a tactic . its a thing every police officer in the world does its who cares get over it. As long as they say they suspected her they will get away with legally
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its relevant to people who can find brazil on a map also known as non Americans. you know we exist right. we blend in and pretend to know alot about your country because we don't have much of a choice but were totally not American I swear. Theres a world outside my friend get educated so your possibly fascist leader stops doing possibly fascist things to the rest of the world while you let him get away with it by arguing about things like lugiu Epstein and now nicole apparently. believe it or not this is the other news thread im allowed to post about other news!
