limped pot trips with top kicker

I think a lead into 6 players basically says I have an 8; there are no draws so hard to see what calls us without an 8. I like check/decide (I'm open to flatting depending on who bets, flats behind, and sizing)

1.5x pot it. Size down on all turns, like 40% pot. Then bet around 2/3 pot on river.

Just thinking that a small bet looks exactly like 8x but a big bet could look FOS, and no one is folding any pair to a single bet. So a bet-down-bet line looks like we were FOS on the flop and we're just hoping to buy our way out of trouble by barreling.

This logic is flawed. No one will think we’re messing around and no one will call with anything but an 8 or better.

It is very hard to extract value no matter what we do but I think a small bet is our best chance.

Agree with hitchens97, you’ve got to slow play this hand, unless someone starts firing.

Let someone else take a stab
Let someone else catch up a little
I don’t like a check-raise either

The value with a hand like this is to drag villain to the river showing weakness along the way, then put in a big bet, like you’re trying to buy it. This works a lot as villain looks at the action and thinks they might be ahead now.

I made a terrible mistake (betting when I should have checked) like this in a hand posted to be revealed soon.

Whatever you do, I don’t think you beat yourself up over this type of hand. It’s a tricky spot. Make a play, see what happens, note it and learn from it, then move on.

Any bet, of any size, is going to look like we have an 8 or 22. The only hands that are likely to call are PP's just hoping to boat up, or worse 8x. Those hands are likely to be inelastic and call a larger bet, for the implied odds of stacking us.

I think most players are either going to be too elastic, and over-fold, or too inelastic, and over-call, but most won't be perfectly elastic based on the bet size and implied odds when the pot is this small.

I think what happens here is they either call or fold based on feels, whether we bet 1/3 pot or 1.5x pot, and the bet size isn't the determining factor in their decision making to the degree it should be.

If we think they're folding too much, we should check 8x and blast with air. If we think they're calling too much, we should blast with 8x and check-fold air.

If we're not sure, the small bet isn't maximizing value nor is it maximizing fold equity. It's just building a pot versus a wide range of undefined hand strength when we're OOP and will be lost on later streets.

We should bet polar, because we're repping a polar range of nuts or air.

What air are we overbetting on this flop with this many players? We’re also first to act. Everyone is scared of an 8 and they should be.

Check/call. A check/raise just gets them to fold unless you are perceived as a maniac -- and a bad one at that.

Nobody over-bets into six players on a paired board in a limped pot with air -- except maybe a bad maniac.

When I flop trips + big kicker in a multiway limped pot I mostly just come out betting. It sucks if the flop checks thru, especially in a cooler case where someone else also slowplays their flopped trips and then gets MUBSy on later streets when the board doesn't run out well. A lot of players are also keen in throwing in a small amount of $ on the flop to see if they can improve to a draw on the turn (but obviously they ain't doing that on the turn).

When I flop trips + weak kicker in a multiway limped pot I mostly check/call, play to "don't go broke in a limped pot", and am a lot cooler with it checking around.

Not really a fan of check/raising, especially on a drawless board, as mostly only the cooler cases 8x/22 will continue.

So I'd probably donk out a very callable ~$10 (which may be 1/2+ PSB but in terms of $$$$ that gets thrown around in a 1/3NL game it is a very cheap price). Many people with hands like 55 and J9dd and even AA are going to think that is a great price to see a turn.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I get wanting to play pots with Action Guy, but overlimping A8o vs 5 previous limps to H in the SB, really doesn't sound great. Particularly with that limit structure which ensures H can usually only apply max leverage with typical NL pot% sizings during pf, maybe flop. Even more of a problem if the rake is no flop/no drop.

We're incentivized more than usual to raise offsuit Ace trash like this. The whale should come along, the herd will thin out, H will have initiative and a lower SPR to offset being OOP. Plus, their hand will be totally disguised with a flop like this. Had H raised pf, bombs away. As it is, I think H needs to play this a lot more cautiously, a la Java's recs.

I totally missed we're offsuit. I don't play A9o- in almost any situation (apart from maybe considering from the Button if folded to me but even then I think it is fine to just pass and move on).

GcluelessNLnoobG

There's $17 in the pot. When we bet small, it looks exactly like 8x. When we bet big, sometimes they convince themselves we're FOS because if we had 8x we'd bet smaller, so we must be bluffing, and they'll look us up with 33-77,

Bluffing with what?

It doesn't matter. Any bluff is going to be zero equity.

In a 7way limped pot, a huge bet is going to get reactions along the line of "well, you might be bluffing, but it's a small pot and plus I've got guys behind me, so I just can't call a huge bet, nice bluff", whereas a small bet will get reactions of "lol, you might have an 8, but for lol $10 I'm not folding".

Gdon'toverthinkit,imoG

Whether you check or bet small, medium or large depends on your image and villains a lot here. I think given the description and how deep we are i would just lead for like 20 here.

I opted to check. In game thinking was that I'm just checking range here against 7 players OOP. I usually check range when I do find myself in limped pots which is usually just from the bb when it limps around and I opted to check. However, I'm open to the possibility that its best to just take the betting lead and set up a bet bet bet line here.

Checks all the way to V2 on the button who bets 15. I call and V1 calls from the bb directly after me. Sadly V3 the action guy folds and everyone else folds as well.

Turn 7d (58)

I check again here because I have an aversion to donking. Now V1 leads for 25 and V2 folds the button and its back on me. Call or raise?

We have a tight/passive player calling then donking, so it's getting weird. Tough to get any money out of him if he doesn't have a boat (and then he keeps it and ours). I probably call again, but I can get behind a raise, too -- it's tough for him to fold trips, but unfortunately he'll fold everything else. It's 1/3, so you can make it small. If he raises/shoves, you need to sigh-fold.

What is a TP leading turn 3-ways for b40 here? Everything is in range, given BB checked pf. (Which wouldn't have happened had we raised pf.)

Only 1 87s, but 2 87o. Plus 22/77. OTOH, you're still ahead of various 98/T8/the rest of the 8s besides 82. Is a TP betting a diamond draw here on a paired board?

Part of me wants to raise/fold to like 100-125 now. We're OOP and if this is a weak bluff, we're not getting another dime out of the guy unless he hits/already has hit Yahtzee. And V's not the player type to just fire off another bluff on river. V calls, we shut down on pretty much any non-Ace (or 8, lol) river.

I'd go smaller, though: $60 - $75.

If checking the flop, I'm cool with now just calling (and especially trying to invite along the action guy).

I would donk the turn as it is just going to check thru too often. As played, this guy almost always has 8x, and we beat almost all 8x, so I'd probably put in a small check/raise and then bet river. If he re-raises at any point I strongly consider folding.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Awesome. Let's give every combo of 33-77 a great price to suck out and make a boat.

I love guessing if the turn 7 made my opponent a boat or if he's value-bluffing with 33-66.

If we can't bet big to rep a range that has some bluffs in it, I guess V is never bluffing with 33-66, so after checking or betting small when we flop top trips, now we get to fold on any 3, 4, 5, 6, or 7, because God forbid we bet large and they all fold, or we actually try to play poker instead of Bingo, and make some money when we actually have a strong hand.

never folding