QQ in HJ facing a mubsy UTG 4bet
1/3. effective. Late morning game. 20 min $500 high hands, thirty people on the 1/2 list, so I played 1/3. Table is frie
I think this player type will 4bet AK pre and then give up at some point post. Usually they play AA and KK pretty fast post-flop too.
On a low flop, I would call a cbet and consider folding if he jams turn. Going to get stacked once in a while probably.
That's fair. At least it's an actual plan to not go broke to AA and KK.
Finale
V opens 15 UTG. Hero in HJ with red QQ raises 45. V 4bets to 125. Hero? After seven seconds, Hero calls.
Flop (244): Qs4h8c
V bets 50. Hero has 671 behind. Hero? Hero actually bets 175. V calls!
Turn (594): 7r
V checks. Hero all-in.
So we basically have $500 left in a $600 pot.
I don't know how your game plays, but $500 is a *huge* bet in my 1/3 NL game. Like, absolutely massive.
I think we are *massively* overthinking a straightforward spot that even most badregs instinctively get right. We have the nuts on a drawless board where our opponent is likely drawing to 2 outs and there is rarely going to be an action killing card on the river. Why are we giving our opponent every opportunity to make the correct hero fold?
Like even a lol 1/4 PSB of $150 leaves $350 into $900 on the river, which they are just going to sigh call off if only we would let them.
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Obviously great results
How did I play the hand? My view now:
Preflop: c>f
Flop: c>raise 135
Turn AP: x>ai, not sure
When hero calls the flop, V has more opportunities to make mistakes: 1) he could lead out the flop, 2) he could check-call the flop, 3) he could bluff the river, 4) he could call a river bet.
I would rather call the flop and make an overbet on the turn to set up a river shove.
You did.
Obviously great resultsHow did I play the hand? My view now:Preflop: c>fFlop: c>raise 135Turn AP: x>ai, not sureWhen hero calls the flop, V has more opportunities to make mistakes: 1) he could lead out the flop, 2) he could check-call the flop, 3) he could bluff the river, 4) he could call a river bet.
You don't have to overbet the turn to set up a river shove. It's also entirely possible he just keeps betting if you flat the flop.
Obv, results-oriented, but H has position. Why not use it? Call the safe flop, see if V want to keep firing on turn. 344 turn pot with 621 back, on a call.
If V slows down, bet/call something like 130-150. Both options leave a
OOP, sure play fast. But V had something they liked enough to 4!, so why not wait to see if V'll barrel again?
I'm probably folding pre to the 4!, FWIW.
As played, I would same bet the turn and shove the river. Maybe the push looks weaker, but no need to shove when you can gii on 2 streets.
The board is so dry, no need to raise the flop either. If it was a wetting flop, then as played might be fine with top set.
You have two reads that are in opposition to each other. You can call because he's MUBSy, or you can raise because you're trending LAG. Either is logically defensible, but we don't know if he's going to barrel turn or even check-call a small bet once he bets flop and we flat call.
I think your line is okay. I would have preferred a smaller raise size on the flop. I think the big flop raise, smaller turn jam looks too much like value. A smaller flop raise, bigger turn jam looks a little less nutted, IMO. But that's a lot of little nuance that may not matter here, or to V.
I don't think raising flop is good. Pre is ok. Turn jam is probably the worst play of the hand. That is unnecessary.
I don't think raising flop is good. Pre is ok. Turn jam is probably the worst play of the hand. That is unnecessary.
I agree. I think you have to play this hand like you have AQ, not QQ.
