POG Politics Thread Version 3
Come on in! Since Dustin is taking his ball and going home, it's time to start a new politics thread.
the fact that the book was not well received isn't news, or shocking
I'm reading it largely as a substitute for Christian mythology, which feels oddly under-prevalent - maybe the Bible is it but it just isn't imaginative enough, idk. Paradise Lost was great. So was the movie Dogma.
I've heard the LOTR books said to be the product of Tolkien's love of the English countryside and his Catholicism.
anyway, I didn't post the quote to extol nerd obscurata - I just found it strikingly prescient on our domestic predicament.
sometimes it's hard to tell Dems from repubs, esp the rich ones.
**** bill Maher, but sucking on a lemon and jumping in a lake sounds like a nice day to me
also heard that Denmark was interested in buying California, and giving us all healthcare
Also when's the last time you saw a jew in a lake. Jesus stayed well on the surface so doesn't count.
Conservatives vaguely resist change possibly because the structure of society is tenuous and easily destroyed while progressives want change to a better world possibly disregarding that outcomes of change may not be as desired.
People who have less may be more likely to gamble on an uncertain future.
conservative resist change because they are the ones exploiting poor people, and don't want that to change.
slave owners don't want to end slavery
Conservatives vaguely resist change possibly because the structure of society is tenuous and easily destroyed while progressives want change to a better world possibly disregarding that outcomes of change may not be as desired.
People who have less may be more likely to gamble on an uncertain future.
risks:
climate change
nuclear war
health crisis you can't afford
unable to afford bills
crippling mental health from living under capitalism
vs:
system breaking down because people control the wealth instead of corporations?
Conservatives vaguely resist change possibly because the structure of society is tenuous and easily destroyed while progressives want change to a better world possibly disregarding that outcomes of change may not be as desired.
conservatives unironically deaf to the true message of Darwin
People who have less may be more likely to gamble on an uncertain future.
means are to avoid, reduce, navigate, and bear uncertainty; see Trump, Elon, etc.
the poor have the most to gain, and the rich are best equipped to capitalize - it makes sense all around
it is the antithesis of everything espoused in liberal doctrine (vibrant markets, individualized values, etc) to be "conservative" with respect to political-economic activity, and thus not such a misnomer to dichotomize "liberal" and "conservative", though by careful craft the right wing has created an orwellian sense among conservatives that theirs is actually the "classical liberal" path
possibly having something to do with "original sin" and the devaluation a lot of people experience growing up
conservativism is an ideology of subservience predicated upon anxiety and self-worthlessness. this is why Yellowstone is such a successful fantasy; it showcases everything they wish they could be but so clearly aren't
libertarians tried to break free, but they stumbled on social disintegration and near-sighted economics
I think a common, of not defining, feature of conservativism is a ... clinging? ... to structure - to established patterns and predictable outcomes.
I read the critics offered by rickroll above with this in mind, and I learn more about them than about the work itself by their comments.
yes it was a literary masterpiece and the only reason why it was never made into movies nor read by mass audiences is there are too many conservatives in the world
good analysis, spot on
conservatives unironically deaf to the true message of Darwinmeans are to avoid, reduce, navigate, and bear uncertainty; see Trump, Elon, etc.the poor have the most to gain, and the rich are best equipped to capitalize - it makes sense all aroundit is the antithesis of everything espoused in liberal doctrine (vibrant markets, individualized values, etc) to be "conservative" wit
I was just riffing off you.
Most humans don't like change
yes it was a literary masterpiece and the only reason why it was never made into movies nor read by mass audiences is there are too many conservatives in the world
good analysis, spot on
some people liked it:
The book was a commercial success, topping The New York Times Fiction Best Seller list in October 1977.[25] It won the Locus Award for Best Fantasy Novel in 1978.[2]
The Horn Book Magazine lauded the "remarkable set of legends conceived with imaginative might and told in beautiful language".[35] John Calvin Batchelor, in The Village Voice, lauded the book as a "difficult but incontestable masterwork of fantasy"
In a 2019 article, Le Monde called The Silmarillion a "cornerstone of Tolkien's imagination" and "the book by J. R. R. Tolkien that rules them all".[38]
but some found it too confusing and foreign:
Time magazine lamented that there was "no single, unifying quest and, above all, no band of brothers for the reader to identify with".[26] Other criticisms included difficult-to-read archaic language[29][30][31] and many difficult and hard-to-remember names.[29][32]
if only we had an ICE for literature, right?
I think you two just want to argue but JRR Tolkien didn't even publish The Silmarillion so it's not his fault it sucks as a book. He wrote it for a different reason. His son Christopher assembled and published it, blame him.
I wonder if Tolkien's wife thought about why he didn't put any women in his books
Mostly it's like Tom Bombadil's wife. Iirc, she couldn't say goodbye to the Hobbits because it was her washing day.
Tom ****ing Bombadil. He must have wandered in from a completely different book.
Anywho, you do have Eowyn. Killed the **** out of the Witch King of Angmar who no man could kill.
And what's her name Galadriel is clearly in charge over her husband whose name I think is Celeborn? No one was asking his opinion.
there is 0 women in the whole of the hobbit though like literally zero.
Some of the dwarves could have been women.
