If you lived in Minneapolis, and an ICE agent demand ID.....
......would you comply. (You have broken no law. You're just walking into the grocery store.)
Why or Why not?
You do realize there are 19 states and the District of Columbia that allow illegal migrants to get drivers licenses .
yes I literally brought it up like 4 posts ago? lmao. the important part being that 31 don't and can be used to prove citizenship making ice asking for ids help them in their job which you should probably want to do as an American but you do you.
Guess we'll just have to wait until more people understand the 2nd amendment and start to fight the ice nazis. Simple, yet effective.
Today's Americans do not at all value what the Americans who fought and died in WWII did.
To be clear, I think a citizen should have a right to NOT be searched if they so choose. I think a citizen should have a right to NOT show their ID. The question in this thread is what one would do personally if asked by lCE.
Of course. In every state it's the law that you must show your driver license to an officer upon request when you are pulled over, even if you are not suspected of breaking a law. In most states, when on foot, you do not have to provide ID to an officer unless you are suspected of breaking a law. So no - if an officer just randomly wants to see my ID and it's lawful for me to r
50-19=31
So, apparently a driver's license is NEVER a proof of citizenship.
I thought the context of the question was when a citizen was out in public, not in their home.
If the police asked to search my room (I never have my own apartment or house) without giving a good reason I might think twice about allowing them to do so.
It doesn't matter. I would give the same response if a police officer walked up to me on the street and asked to search my phone.
It doesn't matter. I would give the same response if a police officer walked up to me on the street and asked to search my phone.
In the videos I've seen the cops do generally back off a bit if someone is a lawyer. So, you got that going for you.
eta: And I mean it is easier for you, but ofc, we all still appreciate you defending our freedoms by not complying when the government tramples on them.
legally ya thats not the purpose of a drivers license its to prove you can drive. but when an ice agent sees you without a license in Texas he's gonna know your illegal because that state is Strick about it. my argument is it can be a useful tool .
It may not ever prove your a citizen but it may prove your not even in states that allow illegals to have licenses when they scan them who knows what it might give away. Freedom is mostly an illusion. You think the federal agency's don't have a database of all legal us citizens they can access ? One swipe of your id and your not on it you might get flagged. Giving illegals licenses might work against them. sure just theorizing I bet some ******* is working on it now if its not already a thing
the question posed in this thread is if you should show id when asked. not when and if they have the right to ask.... I have not been arguing the legality of it
I need to know the legality of it to answer the question. I would not breakout my id for a cop if I'm just walking down the street and they hit me up. Same for ICE if I knew they didn't have the right to ask me for it based on their feels.
It's all moot with facial recognition and plantir now anyways but our privacy has been so stomped I'll hang onto this last tattered thread.
I don’t believe LOL is correct but many states require that you can be required to provide identification if you are detained or arrested. Many cops don’t understand when they are allowed to detain a person.
Allowing people, even short and long term visitors, to drive and insuring they know the rules of the road is more important than their immigration status. Hence, states that allow residents to obtain licenses. Similar to the IDP that allows one to drive abroad.
Here’s a breakdown of countries where an IDP is required, strongly recommended, or useful for car rental purposes.
Europe
Country IDP Required?
Italy Yes (officially required)
Spain Strongly recommended
France Recommended (for non-EU licenses)
Germany Not required (EU license OK)
Greece Yes (for non-EU drivers)
Portugal Recommended
United Kingdom Yes (for non-EU)
Switzerland Yes (non-EU)
Driving in Europe soon? Read how to apply for an IDP online
Asia
Country IDP Required?
Japan Yes (strictly enforced)
Thailand Yes (highly enforced)
South Korea Yes
China Not accepted – local license needed
Indonesia Recommended
Vietnam Local license needed (IDP not accepted)
Malaysia Recommended
India Yes (for foreign nationals)
North America
Country IDP Required?
United States Required in some states (especially with non-Roman script licenses)
Canada Recommended
Mexico Recommended
Costa Rica Yes
Dominican Republic Yes
Driving in the U.S.? Here’s what you need to know about using an IDP in the USA
South America
Country IDP Required?
Brazil Yes
Argentina Yes
Chile Yes
Colombia Recommended
Peru Yes
legally ya thats not the purpose of a drivers license its to prove you can drive. but when an ice agent sees you without a license in Texas he's gonna know your illegal because that state is Strick about it. my argument is it can be a useful tool .It may not ever prove your a citizen but it may prove your not even in states that allow illegals to have licenses when they scan th
Kind of the cool thing about American soil, legally there or not you are supposed to be protected by the constitution. So you do not have to provide them with ID.
Hopefully it's $100k per person that is getting dragged away for having their 4th amendment rights violated.
legally ya thats not the purpose of a drivers license its to prove you can drive. but when an ice agent sees you without a license in Texas he's gonna know your illegal because that state is Strick about it. my argument is it can be a useful tool .It may not ever prove your a citizen but it may prove your not even in states that allow illegals to have licenses when they scan th
many in this thread have insulted you. I have tried to refrain from such attacks and I want you to know that what I am about to say is still not meant as an attack. but you are ignorant.
ICE detains and harasses people with birth certificates, passports, and papers proving their legality (citizenship or otherwise) every single day. sometimes these people get released a few hours, days, or months later.
why did you put "illegal" in the search? you realize that ICE is deporting any non-citizen regardless of status. millions are here legally but not citizens and they are getting locked up in concentration camps (many of which were built or funded by Dems btw) and deported.
In the olden days of this Forum, MrWookie wanted proof for my claim that "Kids in Cages" began under the Obama Administration. When I provided the proof he didn't even acknowledge that I was right and he was wrong. (My proof was an article in the NYT published before Trump became President.)
In the olden days of this Forum, MrWookie wanted proof for my claim that "Kids in Cages" began under the Obama Administration. When I provided the proof he didn't even acknowledge that I was right and he was wrong. (My proof was an article in the NYT published before Trump became President.)
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In the videos I've seen the cops do generally back off a bit if someone is a lawyer. So, you got that going for you.
eta: And I mean it is easier for you, but ofc, we all still appreciate you defending our freedoms by not complying when the government tramples on them.
Search and seizure is an area where I am not inclined to yield easily. Protections in this area exist for a reason. Preserving those protections obviously is good for the civilian population, but it also is good in the long run for law enforcement imo because it discourages a culture of cutting corners.
I'm sure that cops tend to tread more lightly in this area if they believe someone is a lawyer.
many in this thread have insulted you. I have tried to refrain from such attacks and I want you to know that what I am about to say is still not meant as an attack. but you are ignorant. ICE detains and harasses people with birth certificates, passports, and papers proving their legality (citizenship or otherwise) every single day. sometimes these people get released a few
I'm not too informed but I don't support that (not really trusting the source here you say a lot of wild stuff). I would be curious to see you bring some evidence of them deporting legal residents
but I don't see the point your trying to make. I have been talking about if your asked should you cooperate? . Not the morals and legality behind it. Im just talking about the logical decision when an officer approaches you.
ICE has the authority to detain and arrest citizens as well as aliens. There is a massive misconception as to the limits of ICE's statutory authority, but they are legally able to arrest and charge people for crimes that are not immigration-related.
The counter is probable cause and its not one I have even touched on. However you don't argue probable cause in the middle of an arrest/detaining like the victim did that started all this. That's called resisting arrest. You do that in the court afterwards.
All law enforcement need probable cause I don't see you guys all resisting the normal police about 4th amendment rights (because you know it won't end well)
but I don't see the point your trying to make.
my point is that you dont understand the situation. you dont understand that "legal residents" and people with legal documentation are incarcerated and deported every single day.
No but I'm willing to learn about it. However that's not the point of the thread go post about that in the others and ill listen (with sources) I don't think its bad enough to be protesting by resisting arrest and it seems most agree with me and this is a pretty left leaning forum. idk this thread was mostly rage bait about an unimportant topic relative to other events happening so it tilted me a bit. Like how about talk about trump extorting nato with tariffs for Greenland or something new its always the same american left vs right stuff
No but I'm willing to learn about it.
I dont think you are
(not really trusting the source here you say a lot of wild stuff)
and clearly I am not going to be the one to teach you anything.
No but I'm willing to learn about it. However that's not the point of the thread go post about that in the others and ill listen (with sources) I don't think its bad enough to be protesting by resisting arrest and it seems most agree with me and this is a pretty left leaning forum. idk this thread was mostly rage bait about an unimportant topic relative to other events happeni
You complain about the topics yet you never start the topics you want to discuss
Lesson in there
