78ss 3bet pot deepstacked
1/3 $300 max bet spread limit
V (1200 effective) CO Tighter reg who is somewhere between TAG and passive. I don't think he plays aggressive enough. Doesn't go for thin value or bluff as much as he should.
I'm MP with 78ss and cover and open to 20 over two limpers V 3bets to 65 and I call. We are definitely behind but super deep so I opt to call and see a flop. I'm ranging him like JJ+ AQ+ here.
Flop
(130) Jc 5d 2h
x x
Turn 4c (130)
I x he bets 50. I check raise to 200 targeting AQ/AK hands he thinks for about 30 seconds and calls
River (530) 10c
Brings in the backdoor flush. Well now here we are on the river with 8 high in a $530 pot. Empty the clip or wave the whiteflag?
6 Replies
Does how deep you are matter if you're playing spread? You can only bet $300 or about 55% pot...
If you could jam $1k, then your turn bet makes sense, and now you might get QQ to or AJ to fold. But since you can only bet $300 OTR, I hate the turn x/r. $300 is getting called by all pairs that call the turn. It's really hard to come up with a hand that would call $200 OTT but fold to $300 OTR. Is he really calling turn x/r with AK/AQ and no FD? Just overs and a gutshot to the idiot end of a straight?
If you really think V has AK here, you can probably just bet small and get a nitty fold. Like $150, and maybe he folds unpaired hands if he has any. But I wouldn't feel great about it. V certainly has Ax cc in his range. He also still has AA/KK if he isn't the kind of player to 3! the turn with those - the flop is pretty safe to check through, thats a line a more passive player would take.
It seems to me that V is skewed toward pairs, and I don't think $300 folds out any pairs of any reasonable player. Then V has plenty of very strong hands like Axcc.
I think the turn is just a mistake, you're setting up a bluff that requires a jam from OOP, and you aren't allowed to jam. The play is questionable enough if you could jam, since you can't it just doesn't make sense to me. You would have been better off calling, and then just capping the river when the flush comes in. Or just folding turn. And in a spread game, scs just aren't as strong as the are in deep NL because Vs can go into pot control mode quickly with a lot of hands that you could force off with a bluff, or with hands that would pay off when you hit a strong hand. Even deep, you have to play with more of a short-stack mindset. That's why I despise whoever it was that came up with the idea of spread limit.
Just fold pre in MP at loose passive table. I doubt the iso is profitable to play, you don't crush these stakes by playing big pots at an equity disadvantage with easily dominated hands multiway
Postflop turn should just be range bet as played, and checking this hand which cannot check call and does not have good check raise properties is particularly egregious
He does not go for thin value or bluff enough. Then you target him assuming his bet is a bluff/thin value? Why make reads if you don't use them?
Could not do this
Open light, get 3bet and call oop.
It’s hard to bluff out of position
I understand fighting for pots
But you range him JJ+ and AQ+
and then proceed to try and make him fold
He called turn 200
River Tc prob didn’t alter the strength of his hand. He’s going to call the river
Maybe not best to get a preflop 3-bettor to fold. If you think he has big pairs and big aces only, he probably folds AK/AQ to the x/r, so he only has overpairs and sets, which he probably won't fold. If you think he can have ace high, you could bluff for less than allin.
Preflop is a little loose both times, but not terrible.
Change your hand to 87cc. How much are you betting on this river? That should give you your answer on whether or not you should bluff