The "LOLCANADA" thread...again
So what's new?
I've noticed the Liberals are now ahead in all major polls and Trudeau hasn't even started to campaign yet
It's easy to blame Carney for this but I think most of us have realized that he is facing an impossible job. Trump very clearly is willing to let millions suffer just to declare ''victory'' and his demands change monthly if not daily.Even if Carney was to capitulate and give in to everything they'd just move the goal posts. Sorry man I'm the first in line to **** on liberals an
Oh I agree but the voters did choose him on that fact. No doubt Pierre would not have achieved anything either.
We have a very important year coming up and my guess Trump blows up CUSMA and tries to deal individually with Mexico and Canada .
Its going to be a long 3 years of Trump
It’s so hard to judge carney in the Trump negotiations. Like one narrative is that we have cusma keeping most things tariff free, and as bad as steel/aliminum/autos/forestry industry specific things are, none of those seem like something Trump is flexible on. So if I’m the negotiations Canada is being asked to give up the farm for pennies, the rather bravely standing firm and not doing that letting cusma backstop things for now is quite likely the right approach.
That’s not the only narrative, but it’s so hard to judge as a lay person without knowing in the negotiating room what actually is possible. I’m guessing not a lot.
It’s so hard to judge carney in the Trump negotiations. Like one narrative is that we have cusma keeping most things tariff free, and as bad as steel/aliminum/autos/forestry industry specific things are, none of those seem like something Trump is flexible on. So if I’m the negotiations Canada is being asked to give up the farm for pennies,
Agreed. While we don't have the same leverage as China, China is a good example of do nothing and just wait. All of a sudden all these tariffs started being lowered/disappearing. He will have to budge at some point, he can deny it all he wants but Canadians not traveling to the US and Canadians not buying American products is absolutely affecting them economically.
I think this is the only real conclusion we can draw. Do as much as you can to help your community because we will be going through a rough period, not all the blame of the US ofc.
Merry Christmas guys.
Was watching the front bench last week and they had a good analysis on the year
Biggest Story the Liberals resurgence under Carney and winning an election that under Trudeau they would have gotten wiped
Other items they pointed out the Conservatives are still tied with the Liberals in polls but its Pierre that is rating poorly
NDP getting wiped out and losing party status. Oh the time they had a 100 seats
They also compared Carneys term and called Harper 4.0 as his policies resemble Harpers. Never thought of that but a great analysis
2 of the 3 panelists predicted an election in 2026
On a lighter note Carney axed another Trudeau environmental policy and allowed single use plastic exports . Of course we still can not have plastic straws . Well you can but just need to order on Amazon . Paper straws suck
Happy New Years
lol at lozen's attempt to summarize politics for the year being agitprop about ****ing straws
lol at lozen's attempt to summarize politics for the year being agitprop about ****ing straws
Carney has pretty much removed all the policies you supported but will it be the straw that broke the camels back for you? Nope cause your a liberal cultist
was that you trying to be witty?
didn't work out great, did it?
As we speak Carney is in China negotiating an economic shift away from the US and towards China. Obviously this isn't great for the US, but for Canada I have made this point before that I think this makes sense, as Canada is veering more authoritarian and progressive politically and socially.
Canada can sell China soybeans and crude, and in return open their markets to Chinese goods. Win win.
Insomuch as there will be any tensions at all it will be in the military arena. As China and Canada represent opposite sides of what is increasingly turning into a proxy war in Ukraine (Ukranian and Russian men are still doing all the dying, but at this point much of the military hardware is coming from Europe/Canada and China respectively). And obviously the US is going to (hopefully) be very vigilant the relationship isn't used to transfer US military IP to China, at least until the US and Canada undergo a full military/economic break.
As we speak Carney is in China negotiating an economic shift away from the US and towards China. Obviously this isn't great for the US, but for Canada I have made this point before that I think this makes sense, as Canada is veering more authoritarian and progressive politically and socially. Canada can sell China soybeans and crude, and in return open their markets to Chines
I tend to agree with you and heck BYD is selling cars all over the world why not Canada. I have often wondered if China would finance building that pipeline 😀
Carney is doing what needs to be done diversyfying our trade . The toughest obstacle fort him may be provincial trade restrictions.
It looks like Carney is slowly dumping all the Trudeau loyalists as well
I tend to agree with you and heck BYD is selling cars all over the world why not Canada. I have often wondered if China would finance building that pipeline 😀
Carney is doing what needs to be done diversyfying our trade . The toughest obstacle fort him may be provincial trade restrictions.
It looks like Carney is slowly dumping all the Trudeau loyalists as well
The biggest economic hurdles seem to be:
1. Backlash from the US, as it is still Canada's largest export market (75%?). And beyond soybeans and oil, I doubt there is much appetite in China for Canadian goods. Canada needs markets to sell its goods to (besides soy and oil) and I dont see China replacing the US here.
2. Liberal environmental policies will probably make it impossible to build out oil infrastructure to deliver it to China effectively. You would need massive infrastructure on the West Coast, and environmentalists and First Nation stuff would seem to make this impossible.
The biggest economic hurdles seem to be: 1. Backlash from the US, as it is still Canada's largest export market (75%?). And beyond soybeans and oil, I doubt there is much appetite in China for Canadian goods. Canada needs markets to sell its goods to (besides soy and oil) and I dont see China replacing the US here. 2. Liberal environmental policies will probably make it im
Soyabeans and oil. The US is the Soil bean capital were Canola as well as Potash which the USA can not find elsewhere along with Uranium. Carney is finding other markets
Great to see the final court ruled Trudeau should not have used the Emergencies act
Is Alberta part of the USA yet?
The biggest economic hurdles seem to be: 1. Backlash from the US, as it is still Canada's largest export market (75%?). And beyond soybeans and oil, I doubt there is much appetite in China for Canadian goods. Canada needs markets to sell its goods to (besides soy and oil) and I dont see China replacing the US here. 2. Liberal environmental policies will probably make it im
Maybe to you. To Canada it's not. Trump is desperate to make Canada hurt, the more we can steer away from the US the better. China is just the starting point. Plenty more countries to visit for trade deals.
Point 2 is why Canada isn't Norway. We could be rich but we prefer to be poor.
You deserve the noose.
Maybe to you. To Canada it's not. Trump is desperate to make Canada hurt, the more we can steer away from the US the better. China is just the starting point. Plenty more countries to visit for trade deals.
Point 2 is why Canada isn't Norway. We could be rich but we prefer to be poor.
You deserve the noose.
The (prior?) relationship with the US was beneficial to Canada because the US has appetite for Canadian goods other than soy and petroleum. It is real easy to find trade partners to sell **** to you. The hard part is finding partners to buy your ****.
On top of this, the "American" cars sold in Canada are mostly made in Canada. Unless BYD starts building plants in Canada, and employing Canadians in those plants, a lot of Canadian jobs will be lost if Canada trades in Ford and GM for BYD.
Good luck.
The (prior?) relationship with the US was beneficial to Canada because the US has appetite for Canadian goods other than soy and petroleum. It is real easy to find trade partners to sell **** to you. The hard part is finding partners to buy your ****. On top of this, the "American" cars sold in Canada are mostly made in Canada. Unless BYD starts building plants in Canada, an
If you eliminate oil there was no trade deficit
The (prior?) relationship with the US was beneficial to Canada because the US has appetite for Canadian goods other than soy and petroleum. It is real easy to find trade partners to sell **** to you. The hard part is finding partners to buy your ****. On top of this, the "American" cars sold in Canada are mostly made in Canada. Unless BYD starts building plants in Canada, an
Thousands of jobs have already been lost with thousands more at risk.
I think the big picture point you're ignoring(and you know it's happening) is that Carney's hand is forced here. He's doing the ONLY thing he can do right now and that's look elsewhere.
I wasn't commenting on trade deficits, I was addressing Pablito's assertions Canada could just find other markets for its goods. Easier said than done.
Sorry I see why that made it look like I thought it's easy, I don't. I just think Carney is doing exactly what has to be done instead of hoping Trump changes his mind. I agree it's easier said than done.
Just listened to it myself and wow, that I respect, really shows the rest of the particpants the way forward.. Brave new world indeed, loved the shopkeeper analogy. Wonder what, if any, Trumps reaction will be walking in to that? More mumbling and rantings?
Also loved this quote ""the middle powers must act together; because if we're not at the table... we're on the menu", elicits a shudder from the audience. Powerful stuff.
Thousands of jobs have already been lost with thousands more at risk.I think the big picture point you're ignoring(and you know it's happening) is that Carney's hand is forced here. He's doing the ONLY thing he can do right now and that's look elsewhere.Sorry I see why that made it look like I thought it's easy, I don't. I just think Carney is doing exactly what has to be done
Trump is 80 years old, not particularly healthy, and only has 3 more years in his term. I think countries like Canada and Denmark would be better served just weathering the storm. Unless exactly JD Vance takes over, any Democrat or any other Republican President in 2028 will less antagonistic towards Canada/Europe; and undo most if not all of the tariff nonsense.
Xi is every bit as bad as Trump, but with no term limits. And his successor is unlikely to be any better. We know how the CCP does business. They use subsidies to undercut your critical homegrown manufacturing, to make you completely dependent on them, and then use this as leverage to lean on you and extract concessions. And they ruthlessly steal all the IP and military secrets they can get their hands on. The CCP treats trade like war, where it is zero sum and there is a winner and a loser. And they are determined to be the winner.
Carney represents a globalist banker class that is perfectly fine with this arrangement. But there is nothing to indicate that it would be anything but a disaster for Canada, as they dont have the global leverage to print infinite money with little inflation like the US has had.
