The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

Look in the mirror. Seriously. Look in the mirror. Moral high ground my ass.

Actively failing at bringing peace. Israel keeps killing Palestinians even though there’s a ceasefire active. The Russia - Ukraine war was going to be handled in 24 hours instead it’s over a year later and not only has nothing changed, it’s gotten worse and Putin has openly mocked your supreme leader.

But we can credit him for ending the India - Pakistan war. Oh no wait we can’t, they actively said he wasn’t involved.

Before Trump YOU had no idea what Greenland was. Dumbass.

I am not claiming any moral high ground. But anyone who enthusiastically supports their country increasing trade relations with China in 2026 should not be criticizing about US policy WRT Ukraine. Because they are part of the problem, not the solution.

Now most of the world doesn't really have a choice, because their elites knowingly allowed China to use subsidies to destroy their domestic manufacturing and production so they would be completely dependent on China. But we should at least be honest about what one is signing up for when doing business with China. And not invoke any moral high ground.

lol Kelhus don’t pretend you can lecture me. Yes, I’m very aware that China provides primarily economic supports for Russia. I’m fully in support of a stronger international consensus to militarily support Ukraine and try to push back against Chinese economic supports for Russia. But the US abandoned that role. It sucks. And this attempt of yours to suggest that some irrelevant pure trade deal of canola for EVs with China is somehow substantively changing a single thing in Ukraine is pathetic. I’d way rather go back to the US not attacking Canada economically forcing us to do things like try to find less than admirable partners for our exports, but the blame for all of this lands on one man: Trump.

Right, nobody is being DISHONEST about what they are signing up for and nobody but you is taking any moral high ground. You're the one introducing morality into this equation when the ONLY reason we're even entertaining China is the raging moron that's running the US right now.

So, again, you, Lutnick, Shifty, you're all puppets for a raging lunatic who wants to punish Canada for dealing with China will running a country that buys what, 500b? of Chinese goods EVERY year. Want to argue that supporting China supports Russia? Sure, look in the mirror. Can't be the number 1 customer of China and then give us **** for being a customer too.

In case I wasn't clear, you can take your moral high ground lecture and shove it up your ass. While you're at it, take your contradictions and hypocrisies and shove them up there too.

It's like we live in an alternate reality. Americans lecturing Canadians on dealing with China while they buy most their crap from China and Canadians citing ''trump solved 8 wars'' when they can't even name 8 countries let alone 8 wars.

Ridiculous.

There's this great Orson Scott Card short story about a sci-fi planet where they have this civilizations style computer game, it's like the most prestigous past time on the planet. And one guy is the best. He controls the most powerful country and his genius means he is always at the top. However, in the game you have to hand off ownership for periods of time and so other people take over and they don't do quite as well but he can always come back and get right back on top.

But then an antagonist genius takes over in one of these downtimes. Takes the worlds most powerful country in the game, and systematically does lots of little things that start to weaken it. Economically, politically, militaristically, culturally. Little chips. It looks to everyone else like he is just a kinda bad leader, like many bad leaders before him. But then the protagonist gets back in charge and plans to once again fix the country and get it to the top. But the antagonist has so perfectly set things up to failure that no matter what he does, he is doomed to failure.

This story resonates with me these days😃

As bad as Trump has been, I guarantee if Democrats got back into power and went back to Biden's far left policies (especially WRT border enforcement) they would vote Trump (or a facsimile, as Trump would be in his late 80s by then) right back into office. Literally no one thinks what was going on before Trump was "the best."

Actually it goes way beyond this. Europe economically supports Russia, by being its largest customer of fossil fuels. China's support is much much more. Without Chinese support at numerous levels (military, hardware, infrastructure, logistics) the Russian war machine would immediately grind to a halt.

I think we underestimate how much decades of kleptocracy, corruption and brain drain under Putin have hollowed out Russia. And how Russia has in all but name become a Chinese vassal state, and the Russia-Ukraine war has become a Chinese-West proxy war.

Russia is well into a slow, inexorable march towards complete collapse, where as things stand now China is in prime position to take complete control of the Eastern half of the country. And the whole purpose of "trade deals" with the West is to ensure China has all the leverage and the West cant do anything about it.

Only a complete crank could describe Joe Biden as far left.

It's the US, so that just means the far left faction of the far right.

Your boy Trump seems to love Putin, which you justified under some realpolitik bullshit. Now you're whinging over Canada and China? Lol.

You're embarrassing yourself.

If you read that story and took away that I was somehow focusing on one specific domestic policy like immigration policy you really really missed the point.

Russian crude dropped from 27% of EU to 3% of EU. Natural gas is still there though, maybe that is what you are talking about.

has to be and reminds me when Trump told the European leaders they would regret relying on Russian gas and they laughed at him . Hmm turns out he was right on that one

Trump and his 100 % tariffs . Part of me wishes he did do it . 100% on oil, uranium, aluminum, potash, electricity . See how that will work out for him

I think you might be combining two stories. I think you are talking about the 2018 speech in brussels? It's true that two different things happened in that speech. One was the got laughed at. He was being ridiculous and was indeed laughed at. He also made a point about russian gas. But crucially that wasn't the point he was being laughed at for. Or maybe you are referring to something else? I do agree that Germany made a mistake - as did many - including trump and including biden and including obama- of being complacent to the threat putin placed. Ukraine should have been fully armed BEFORE 2022, and yes they shouldn't have relied on their infrastructure for this.

Also the world's economic superpower. So why did you think it was a good idea to campaign and decide an election on fighting with them?

This is just silly, how much aid do they need, when should it stop? Do you think USA should go to war with Russia? I'm sure with this stance you have no issues with the USA removing a socialist dictator, them being the world's super power.

You seem confused. We were not randomly picking a fight with them. Trump attacked us. Trump continues to attack us. Trump just threatened a truly economy killing 100% tariff. No part of anyone wanted a fight with the US. But a fight is what we got. Because of your guy. Now faced with this, we do have choices to respond. Should we utterly capitulate and give into every trump demand? I vote no.

What is silly about it? Russia has brutally invaded Ukraine which has managed to defend itself based on its own herorism and ingenuity and a lot of foreign weapons. We should keep that support up. Keep giving them the tools to defend themselves. Putin only understands strength. If Ukraine is weak and unarmed, he will take it, if he can. If Ukraine is strong, then there may be some hope for a peace deal in the future if Putin knows it is unwinnable.

No, I don't think the US should go to war with Russia, the essential dynamic of a nuclear armed power still remains.

You seemed confused. USA is not "randomly" attacking us, they are exposing us. The 100% tarrifs were in response to Canllrney visiting China and the Davos speech. It's like liberals don't understand real life consequences for their actions.

We share the border with the world's superpower and you vote to fight lol. Insanity, I guess 2.2 million food bank visits a month isn't enough for you.

It's silly because you are over simplifying it that if Trump doesn't fund Ukraine more money he must just want more Ukraine's to die, which is silly.

1. Lol at you for thinking a response like this is normal.
2. What about the first few rounds of tariffs? The 51st state talk? The constant attacks on just how much the US does NOT need Canada. Are those ''real life consequences for our actions''?

I know you like starting history from a point that's convenient for you and you alone, but perhaps try starting from the start? I know, wild idea.

Nope. Trump decided to pick a fight. We did the only logical thing in response.

For him it matters none. For the average American we're already seeing how it's working out for them. Won't matter though. Trump will destroy what he wants to destroy and bootlickers like Shifty will ignore reality and repeat nonsensical quotes like ''he stopped 8 wars''.

ah yes, awkward smiles 7 years ago SO glad you remembered that detail.

LMAO, do you hear yourself speak? In no possible universe is 100% tariffs a reasonable or proportionate or acceptable response at all for Carney making a speech where he told the obvious truth. Like the idea that Trump exposed "Canllrney" (sic?) and Carney should face consequences for his actions is just hilariously ridiciulous. What a buffoon.

Sounds like YOU are oversimplifying since I didn't say he wanted more ukrainians to die. Why do you just make random **** like this up? I am saying the consequence of his actions - depriving Ukraine of the weapons it needs to bravely defend itself - has been that more ukrainians have died. I think Trump likes to tell himself a lovely fiction where he is this amazing president of peace who deserves a nobel - and you obviously lapped it up repeating his talking points back here - so I think he wants peace. But he is such a shitty leader and an unhealthy dose of sympathy for Putin that his actions thus far work against it. I'm still hopeful that somehow he finds a way to pressure Russia into agreeing to some type of peace deal with ukraine that doesn't leave it completely stripped as a country, but it is very tough times right now.