Final 3 tables ITM call or rejam spot
Live $400 buy-in
628 entries
50 paid
22 left
Average stack 856,363
My stack 840k
Min cash 1485
We have 2800 locked up, next jump at 20
30k for first, 17k for 2nd, 10k for 4th very top heavy structure
15k/30k/30k level
UTG (LAG pro I've played with a lot, always a few pips wider than he should be) jams 230k
Folds to me in CO with 840k and AQo, Hero??
BU is LAG pro chip leader takes spots very aggressively when he covers with 1.7 million
SB unknown rec 500k
BB unknown rec 300k
Hero??? If we flat, we're committed if SB rejams. Can we flat/fold if BU rejams? Or is it better to just rejam ourselves??
11 Replies
Good job providing all the relevant stats. I just ran it for you in HRC.
HRC has AQ in your calling range, but the $EV difference between calling and shoving is negligible. You're supposed to only call with aces too, and your range is strong, so the big stack shouldn't be getting too out of line reshoving. After you call the big stack is only supposed to continue with JJ+, AK.
In game I would have usually called in your spot, and folded if the big stack then shoved.
I would really only jam if I expected the big stack to get way out of line shoving stuff like AJ that we dominate. In that case it could be better to just try to squeeze them out and live with the consequences when we occasionally shove into the top of their range.
@GreatWhiteFish, thanks so much for running the spot. Does hero play jams with any part of his range or do we flat everything we continue with in theory? My read in game was that BU would rejam as wide as 33+ AJo+ ATs+ maybe even some KQs/JTs type stuff which puts me in a gross spot
I think the bottom pay jumps (what 20th pays) are more important than the top payouts to determine your icm considerations as well as knowing how many short stacks there are. I am not saying only be concerned about laddering up but it should be a bigger factor when you have an average stack.
I would want to take this probable flip heads up with utg. You would think an 8x bb raise and a call would achieve that unless someone wakes up with a monster. Worst someone iis obviously the button. I would try to gage the other players - do they look at their cards only in turn? Are they telegraphing an intent to call or fold? Sometimes the info you can get in a live setting is invaluable to making a good decision,
I might try to isolate by shoving all in. However, not in the heat of the action, a shove is probably a mistake and a complete overplay. Besides the action behind you, UTG ma have you crushed. When unsuccessful, shoving has knocked me out or crippled me in similar spots.
I have to imagine there are will be better spots to play AQ off for my stack. The big stack acting after me would make me play tighter on hand selection but more aggressively when I do play a hand. I may be able to find a fold here if I think the hand will go multiway.
You think AQ vs. a shove from a LAG player with 8bb is going to be flipping or dominated often?
@GreatWhiteFish, thanks so much for running the spot. Does hero play jams with any part of his range or do we flat everything we continue with in theory? My read in game was that BU would rejam as wide as 33+ AJo+ ATs+ maybe even some KQs/JTs type stuff which puts me in a gross spot
Yeah HRC is calling a range with 4.3% of hands and shoving a range with 3.7%. Looking at the $EV most of the hands are pretty close to the same $EV whether they call or jam.
The worst hands we're continuing with against a solver UTG jamming range are ATs, AJo and 77. ATs is jamming, but AQo, AJo and 77-88 are calling then folding if button jams. Like I said though the equities for the most part are all pretty close between calling and jamming, so live reads are likely more important to determining which is better.
If you expect the button to get that out of line if you call I would just jam yourself. It would be a disaster to call then fold to a rejam if button was shoving AJ or something.
Also in case you were curious UTG is supposed to be jamming 44+, A4s+, ATo+, K9s+, KQo, Q9s+, JTs and T9s. So I know you said UTG tends to shove wider than he's supposed to, but late in tournaments most people at these stakes aren't really shoving as wide as they're supposed to. He might just be a studied player who is shoving appropriately.
I'm shoving here. Given UTG has 8 bb's he will have a lot of PP's and probably a most AXs hands. Also AJo/ATo and possibly A9o and A8o. And some broadway hands like KQ/KJ. What I don't want to happen is to call and have BTN call and we are playing this hand OOP in a huge pot for us and if we miss, which will happen about 67% of the time, we will not be able to continue on a flop bet by BTN.
The other thing is if we call SB and BB might call or jam with PP's as well. But if we jam they will fold 22-77 and probably 88 and 99. TT and JJ get interesting as some people will fold and some will jam. QQ+ is a disaster but at least it will happen rarely.
If the Chip Leader had already acted I tend to call and see what happens. But here we can give them a tough choice with hands like JJ and TT and 99.
You think AQ vs. a shove from a LAG player with 8bb is going to be flipping or dominated often?
If this is directed at me, the answer is no, which is why I want to play him for his stack heads-up. But I think he is also shoving all pocket pairs with only 8bbs.
@Nath what do you think about jam vs call in this spot?
I think there's probably not a ton of difference in EV but given the button's stack and tendencies I probably reshove, because I don't want to call/call and I don't want to get blown off this hand by something like AJ or 77 when I could blow the button off them (or, if he wants to call anyway with AJ, great).
Reveal: I decided to rejam, BU snap rejams (not good), blinds fold. UTG and BU both have AKo, board runs out A high no Q, and I’m out in 22nd. Appreciate everyone’s analysis, I think it’s pretty close between call and rejam and if I flat it’s pretty close between call and fold if BU rejams
A top 4% finish with a 7x payout is something with that many shooters. Congratulations.
What was the pay jump at 20?
