If you lived in Minneapolis, and an ICE agent demand ID.....
......would you comply. (You have broken no law. You're just walking into the grocery store.)
Why or Why not?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-a...
A federal judge in Minnesota on Monday threatened to hold the acting U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director in contempt for repeatedly ignoring court orders in immigration-related cases.
"This is one of dozens of court orders with which respondents have failed to comply in recent weeks," Schiltz, a George W. Bush appointee, wrote in his order Monday.
He added later, “The Court’s patience is at an end. The Court acknowledges that ordering the head of a federal agency to personally appear is an extraordinary step, but the extent of ICE’s violation of court orders is likewise extraordinary, and lesser measures have been tried and failed.”
Because they proudly demonstrate low iq?
Comparing riots that had been abandoned by law enforcement any citizens carrying to protect themselves vs other citizens/rioters, to interfering and obstructing law enforcement doing their job while carrying a gun when the expected outcome is to be arrested is just laughably stupid
It's not surprising that the usual cast of geniuses have gone down this road and it's not surprising they're incapable of embarrassment
Because they proudly demonstrate low iqComparing riots that had been abandoned by law enforcement any citizens carrying to protect themselves vs other citizens/rioters, to interfering and obstructing law enforcement doing their job while carrying a gun when the expected outcome is to be arrested is just laughably stupidIt's not surprising that the usual cast of geniuses have go
i initially went down that rabbit hole but then snapped back to reality at the realization that none of their neighbors - not a single one of them - felt the need to not only brandish firearms on their front lawn but also actively point them at people
standing outside with a firearm to demonstrate a message that this is a home that will be defended is a reasonable reaction to seeing a hundred people burst into your gated community during a time of looting and rioting
actively pointing your weapons at people who are not attacking you - merely verbally accosting you - is not remotely ok
if it's ok to defend your property with guns, why isn't it ok to defend your labor, education, healthcare, neigbors, rights, etc with guns?
capitalism is stolen labor(at it's best)
if it's ok to defend your property with guns, why isn't it ok to defend your labor, education, healthcare, neigbors, rights, etc with guns?
capitalism is stolen labor(at it's best)
because we all agree defending your property with guns is morally permissible, but we haven’t developed a consensus on those other issues. I get you don’t like democracy, but that’s the basic answer.
you may have a right to defend your rights (certain ones of them) and neighbors (depending on who you are “defending” them from) with guns, depending on what you mean by that.
Both ice officers need to be concerned as thee is no expiry on murder charges and yes maybe the Trump administration will not charge you . Sooner or later the Dems will be in power and may say have at it Minnesota
Both ice officers need to be concerned as thee is no expiry on murder charges and yes maybe the Trump administration will not charge you . Sooner or later the Dems will be in power and may say have at it Minnesota
Maybe the person who shot Alex Pretti should be less concerned with a politically motivated prosecution, and more concerned with the fact that he shot someone without a good reason.
Maybe the person who shot Alex Pretti should be less concerned with a politically motivated prosecution, and more concerned with the fact that he shot someone without a good reason.
I never said it would be politically motivated. Lets be clear I have never said either shooting was justified and personally from what I have seen the first one was an execution and the second one based on the actions of the officers was not warranted. Though I do question what Pretti's intentions were carrying a pistol and two magazines to the protest?
Right. lozen's questioning doesn't matter.
I personally don't think guns should be as freely accessible or as plentiful as they are in this country. But again, what I think doesn't matter. As the 2A folks love to remind us, the law is the law. If an officer of said law can't handle that and perform their job accordingly without executing innocent civilians, they should choose another profession.
If the ICE agents don't get charged for this, there's some extraordinarily dark times ahead for America and I really can't emphasise this enough. The Good shooting was bad enough but Pretti's murder is beyond the pale
ICE is in my neighborhood right now. They’re allegedly stopping cars.
Apparently they’re all over midtown.
I never said it would be politically motivated. Lets be clear I have never said either shooting was justified and personally from what I have seen the first one was an execution and the second one based on the actions of the officers was not warranted. Though I do question what Pretti's intentions were carrying a pistol and two magazines to the protest?
Why do you feel the need to add that last sentence in there about his “intentions”?
If they dump his phone and he has a manifesto in there saying he wanted to massacre agents, what would that change about what actually happened?
I thought if anything, right-wingers at least believed in gun rights. But I fear they don't really believe in anything.
“If you stand for nothing, you’ll fall for anything.”
WATCH: 'You can't have guns. You can't walk in with guns,' Trump says of Alex Pretti killing
Ok, no, they’re actually stopping cars on the street.. I don’t know how they have the authority but there are photos being posted by the neighbors
They don’t, but they’re doing it anyway.
I have family in the Twin Cities. One is a teacher, who had a student get stopped by ICE. The student is Hispanic, but a citizen. Her father told her to always carry her passport. Fortunately she had it when they stopped her and they let her go. She’s a ****ing kid, not some hardened criminal.
Trump and his supporters have turned Minneapolis into Nazi Germany; a police state where one must produce papers on demand.
The fact that so many refuse to acknowledge such behavior of federal agents is a problem suggests to me that America is done. After all, what is more UnAmerican than being forced to prove your citizenship when merely driving down the road? Yet we’ll undoubtedly hear from some right wing dipshits (Dunyain, this is you. Your mother must be so proud.) why this is all ok.
Though I do question what Pretti's intentions were carrying a pistol and two magazines to the protest?
GTO is 100% correct. Even if you could prove to a moral certainty that Pretti planned to gun down ICE agents, random civilians, or a roomful of toddlers exactly ten minutes after the altercation in which he was killed, it wouldn't be a defense for the ICE agents who shot him. The ICE agents had no reason to fear him. The video clearly shows that he did not threaten ICE agents with a gun. For the purpose of evaluating whether the ICE agents' actions were wrongful, that's the beginning, middle, and end of the story.
