TT in the SB vs Pro OTB
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Kinda results oriented, imo. How are we doing against his whole range that he does this with? Is flipping AQ/KQs/etc. the bottom of his range? Cuz if so, we're mostly crushed or flipping, and never crushing ourselves (or is he doing this with the occasional 99, really?), with no other dead money (actually negative money thanks to rake).
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Yeah against AQ+, TT+ it's a slightly below breakeven call with rake. The fact that we were ahead this time doesn't necessarily make it a call. He needs to be shoving with some stuff that's not in the range cited above, like 99, KQ or A5s to push our equity against his overall range high enough to turn it into a call.
Yeah against AQ+, TT+ it's a slightly below breakeven call with rake. The fact that we were ahead this time doesn't necessarily make it a call. He needs to be shoving with some stuff that's not in the range cited above, like 99, KQ or A5s to push our equity against his overall range high enough to turn it into a call.
To be honest, I didn't realize we were actually doing that well against AQ+/TT+ / equity-wise with the money already in the pot; was actually a bit closer than I expected.
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Yeah against AQ+, TT+ it's a slightly below breakeven call with rake. The fact that we were ahead this time doesn't necessarily make it a call. He needs to be shoving with some stuff that's not in the range cited above, like 99, KQ or A5s to push our equity against his overall range high enough to turn it into a call.
To be honest, I didn't realize we were actually doing that we
Yeah I checked the numbers and we've got ~40% equity with AQ+, TT+ and need ~40% before rake. It's close. When I originally said I would likely fold, I was expecting a range similar to that, but my thinking was that AQ might not jam every time. Maybe he only jams AQ 40% of the time or something? That could be enough to push this into fold territory.
It's still close even after the reveal showed we were ahead this time.
Another question the OP can ask is whether they want to flip for their stack? That's kind of an individual question. If you're properly bankrolled there's no reason not to, but you're just gambling and some players would prefer to avoid the variance unless there's a clear edge.
It's 100BB button vs SB, against an opponent who has already folded to our 3bet and is described as probably capable, at an action table (you mention 5bet bluffs). Button 4bet jam range can and probably is very wide here and TT is certainly good enough to call. This can include a whole load of Broadway hands or suited Aces etc. You would struggle to concoct a situation more conducive to a light 4bet.
Disregard the "looking at cards" thing; the only thing I might infer is that they MAY be more likely to be unpaired and unsuited, so that if your opponent calls he doesn't have to look at them again when the flop comes. It certainly isn't going to influence his preflop decision.
V’s range is very wide here and as mentioned he likely doesn’t shove with AA and maybe even not KK. Certainly V shoves with A-JTs & 99, maybe KQs & 88.
It was an excellent shortstacked last hand call by hero.
What do people think about V1 looking again his cards before the 4bet? Does a pro ever check if he has QQ or KK or JJ? I think pros only recheck their cards for suits. I thought checking his cards was a tell: he has AX. V1 was confident opening OTB with most AXo, but wants to know if his AX is suited before 4betting.Or do pros really sometimes need to double check if they in f
I don't think this is correct analysis. I mean speaking for myself, I always double-check cards before every street even if I know what they are, so I ~never check for any missing information. But putting that aside and getting to the general logic, yes people don't forget that they have a big pair, but they also don't forget that their hand is suited. What they do forget is which suit it is (and usually only for off-suit hands). So if someone double-checks cards on a mono-colored board, and if it's a time they don't usually double-check, this is a tell that the hand is off-suit. But if someone double-checks before the flop, that doesn't fit any common pattern.
That said I would slightly discount AA and KK just because holding premium makes people more alert, and less likely to double-check. But only slightly. Like I said, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to forget hand strength preflop no matter what, so it's just kind of a weird behavior. Insofar as it's information, I think it just shows that they're not super focused on the hand, which again maybe slightly discounts premium hands.
I think you've got to evaluate the double checking cards tell on a case by case basis, but I wouldn't read too much into it if you haven't already established a correlation.
Like for me personally there are several situations where I always double check my cards. One of these situation is when three community card of the same suit come on the flop or turn.
The reason I always check is because I have had occasional times when I can't remember for sure whether I have one card of the suit matching the board. If I only double check when I don't remember, I am potentially giving away information. However if I double check every time it balances the times I need to look with the times I know I have a flush and the times I know I don't have a matching card.
Perhaps I inadvertently give off some false tells this way, but I made a conscious decision to just behave in a consistent manner instead of trying to out level my opponents with tells/false tells.
Just checking to see if I played it right preflop. 2+2 never ceases to surprise me.
Anyway, the hand continues…
Folds to V1 who bets 15 OTB. Hero in the SB with black TT, and V2 yet to act in the BB…
Hero raises 60. V2 folds. V1 looks at his cards again. V1 all in. Hero?
Exploit the weak player in the BB and just flat call. Or, 3B, with plans to fold if we get 4B.
So, fold to the 4B. At best we're flipping against two overs. Very often we're up against the top of range.