[2-4]: Flopped Straight but Flush comes in on the River

You can't really analyze the flop directly with a solver, because it is a 7-way limped pot. Solvers will tell you to bet big in this type of situation. Regardless of solvers, there is a very wet high card board. It is likely that other hands hit it hard and aren't folding. You also need protection against a flush hitting or the board pairing. So obviously bet big.

I don't know if OP is stubborn because of her apparent gender and nationality. However, if you post a hand and everyone tells you it was misplayed, there isn't much point in arguing about it. Just try to understand why they are saying that.

I like reading your posts for this exact reason. I appreciate facts/solves over feels, even if you're kind of dickish sometimes.

You can't really model this with a solver, because hard to look at a 7-way limped pot, even on later streets.

You can model similar situations with a solver and see that it recommends betting large.

You have the nuts on the flop and turn. However, a flush card or the board pairing means you no longer have the nuts. A Q also means AT beats you. A T and you are often chopping.

I'd milk/block now, probably about B25.

I think pre hovers very close to neutral EV for both ISO and limp, and other factors like image and tells on players LTA will break the tie. (V1 being a true whale could also tip the scales in itself, though I'm a little undecided about reads.)

I simply wouldn't limp because there is no scenario where doing so is clearly better EV in a vacuum or allows you to significantly increase VPIPs in a 2-blind/no ante game, and mixed strats are a huge headache to implement.

I'd just go with a standard/smaller/less polar size OTF with this particular hand since inducing a raise is gangbusters anyway. If we decide to range split, I'd go bigger with hands like JJ that are in best shape taking Kx type hands to the cleaners on the b/b/b line rather than fist pumping when stacks go in on the branches with a raise.

It's also worth remembering that hands QTo are especially dangerous for players who are unlikely to play close to optimally on later streets.

QTo is a crap hand but overlimping can’t be that bad. I like bigger bets on flop and turn. River I probably block.

Technically, you can't block bet. You are acting 2nd on the river 3 ways.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree on the terminology.

I see it as more than terminology. When you bet small, you let one player who checked possibly checkraise bluff you.

Solvers don't like small bets in position on the river, and it is also common sense that you don't want to be small reopening the action.

hero isn't ip lol

its time to let the thread go man

Whether you are ip or not, you are not block betting. You are betting small reopening the action for one of the players.

I don't like a block bet sizing, reopening the action for one player. If you get raised you have to fold, and you are inducing a bluff raise.

If you are going to bet, I prefer as played 100. Then if you are raised 3-way, you can be fairly confident folding.

I would check/reevaluate the river. I don't think you are good often enough to value bet.

I do just as suggested, limp behind or raise a lot of marginal hands when it is limped to me in CO or BTN. Maybe QTo is playable with OP's skill advantage. However, OP needs to look into what are standard playable hands. She is going by some equity figures in a solver. She mentioned in another thread Q8s. Those hands just play badly postlop, even if they have some equity allin to shove or reshove as a semibluff in a tournament.

You okay Deuce? Let this thread move on man.

It's weird because I feel like I'd agree with this post 1, 000% out of context, but it just doesn't apply to VPIPing QTo in LP behind a bunch of bozos with capped ranges.

FWIW, I just checked my database and my action profit is positive for literally every preflop VPIP type with a region of hands that includes: JTo-J9o / QJo-Q9o / KTo-K8o / A9o-A7o.

Granted, I don't play *this* specific combo this specific way from this specific seat, but as someone who apparently doesn't pick poor places to play these hands (I’m as surprised as you are) I think it's very close to perfectly neutral, especially when considering these are almost certainly worse players than my field. And I think over-limping will run very close to ISOing in a vacuum.

Yes you can.

No they won't.

Interesting that further down you recognize that betting small reopens the action allowing people to raise, but it's absent from this analysis.

Bruh...

Maybe I'm biased because there are huge portions of posters whose analysis I disregard entirely, but this doesn't seem to be an accurate description of the thread.

if i had to nominate a thread to represent the forum it would be this one

I mean, it got me to do a database review of a bunch of preflop hands and spots, double check nodelocked preflop sims, and run a 5-way limped postflop sim with rainbow sizes, so it unironically shows the best and worst of what you get out of this place.