Gun control
I think that the Gun control thread got lost when the old politics thread got moved.
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There were effectively no mass school shootings in north America in the 1950s 60s or 70s. It all really started with columbine in the 1990s. The issue is all about the poor culture in modern north America. The school shootings mostly happen in the United States, but occasionally in somewhere like Canada.
I don't see how there would be a link between any of these things and school shootings.
I also don't get what you're referring to with the "weak beta" comment.
Whitman was technically at a university, but it wasn't at all the same kind of situation as. More recent school shootings.
I'm not sure how that event wasn't completely analogous to the kinds of campus shootings we have today.
It certainly seems that the number and intensity of school shootings has increased, but it's simply an exaggeration to say they didn't happen before Columbine, as a quick glance at wikipedia will confirm.
Those weren't school shootings, which is what was being referred to.
Whitman was technically at a university, but it wasn't at all the same kind of situation as. More recent school shootings.
Yeah I missed the school part but while few mass school shootings, there were lots of school shootings prior to Colombine and I think we're ultimately talking semantics here.
Fun fact. My father was in the building next to the tower when Whitman was shooting.
Holy crap that's pretty wild actually.
The rise of pornography, more so the new style like only fans, over prescription of SSRI, the popularization of the marijuana industry. Self hatred of one’s own history. The rise of the weak beta being viewed as cool and edgy by the media and Hollywood.
Well, chit. How come rock music is getting a pass? Your kind spent at least two decades telling us about the evils of rock music and now Ozzy can't even get a posthumous mention.
Back in the era of our parents and grandparents you could just walk right into a school and pick your kid up. Not anymore. And that is the single greatest problem. No amount of security and cameras is going to solve this cultural problem we have. What will solve the issue is a return to a good manners, kindness, tolerance and Honor.
Always like the "Hey, there was no crime back in the day. No kids got abducted, no estranged parents kidnapped their kids from school, nothing." If only we could get rid of national news media, we could finally go back to the day where none of this happened again.
Surprised you left out that there are more kids on the spectrum today. Back in the day, there were just weird kids in school that kept to themselves and weren't social. Now the weird kids went away and autism is exploding. If only we could get rid of diagnostic tools for cancer, we can finally cure cancer.
What will solve the issue is a return to a good manners, kindness, tolerance and Honor.
I haven't seen anything to suggest you have any of these qualities, and you support leaders who certainly have none of these attributes, so that's kind of an interesting take.
"Be nice, kind and tolerant of others... unless they have an alternative lifestyle, then mock and single them out and make them feel less than human because they are. Oh, and brown people... we need to get rid of brown people, too, but other than that, show kindness, be nice, be tolerant, and honor the laws my boy Trump ignores."
The Tumbler Ridge shooter was a consumer of anime porn, was on high-dose SSRIs (and sometimes anti-psychotics) and was a cannabis user. These are the 'things' mentioned in the post to which you were replying.
Was first named as Strang on social media but MSM are reporting the name as Jesse Von Rootselaar...
The shooter's uncle (the late mother's brother) spoke to a journalist and gave the shooter's name as Jesse Strang. The late mother, Jennifer Strang, also gave him that name in a Facebook post directing people to his YouTube channel.
And note she was calling him 'he' just three years ago, though she later went all #protecttranskids. The media reports of 'transition' six years ago appear to be false. People who knew him at school before he dropped out at 14 have spoken to journalists and invariably call him 'he'.
The first signs of 'transition' are in his 2023 Reddit posts, at age 15, when he was already heavily into Reddit, a notorious mind-rotter (he seems to have been a mod of the fetishistic Trans Guns subreddit), heavily medicated for depression and psychosis and also heavily into cannabis, other psychedelic drugs and anime porn. He said he was suicidal because as a 6ft bloke he couldn't be 'petit an smol' like a cute anime girl.
It seems like he preferred to go by his mother's surname, but he's on official documents with his absentee father's (or I assume it's his father's), so the RCMP went with that. Mind, the RCMP called him a woman when they knew he wasn't one.
this song was written in response to school shootings
lol wtf it thinks the code is a marketing link lol
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I can just remember Bogdanovich's 1967 film Targets, loosely based on the Austin event but set at a drive-in movie show, with a surprising guest turn by Boris Karloff, basically playing himself as an old horror-movie star caught up in the event. One of those films you never come across any more.
This is completely untrue there were quite a few mass shootings in the 80s and before. Harold Unruh shot dead 13 people in the 50s and there was also Charles Whitman in the 60s and the McDonald's massacre in the 80s. The term going postal probably originated from a mass shooting in the 80s
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Numbers wise there was effectively no mass school shootings prior to columbine.
And it is certainly true that school security was incredibly relaxed prior to Columbine.
School that is the keyword. But yes, also mass shootings in general were less common in the American past compared to the more modern era. We can get credit to our parents and grandparents for having a more polite society. All of the nonsense in the modern era of the over prescription of drugs, the popularization of marijuana…and the porn industry which most of the fault with that lay with the producers and the government for allowing it. Creating a very toxic environment and the media and Hollywood propping up the beta males. Where as in the past Christianity and family values played a significant role in creating a much more polite and honorable society A number of the mass school shooters have had problems with various drugs including marijuana.
These are inconvenient facts for racists and fearmonger. For two reasons the United States had a much stronger middle class and bigger families in the 1950s compared to today. The birth rate was much higher and the middle class was stronger for black and white despite the segregation. Of course bigotry was way worse in other parts of the world. But point is that there were just as many guns if not more of that era per American households. And the middle class was very strong, despite having very large families because often people like to claim that there is a correlation between poverty and countries with a high birth rate. Folks on both the left and right but often the left will make fun of modern African and South American communities for being Christians or Muslims and having big families. They will blame religion for problems in those countries. Nope not right . Just look at the post World War II economic boom in the USA there was a much stronger Christian spirit in the country in those days…. and it is indisputable that school shootings were not an issue in those days. It is indisputable that parents in that era were not worried about their kids going to school and getting hurt by some deranged mass shooter.
Key Comparisons
Frequency: In the 1960s, fatal school shootings occurred infrequently, typically involving only one or two victims. In contrast, the annual number of school shooting incidents in the U.S. grew from approximately 20 in 1970 to 251 in 2021.
Lethality: Research shows that while mass school shootings were non-existent in the 1950s and 1960s, they began a steady increase starting in 1979. Modern incidents are more frequent and result in higher death tolls; for example, more people died or were injured in mass school shootings between 2000 and 2018 than in the entire 20th century.
Victim Exposure: The rate of children being victims of school shootings more than quadrupled between 1970 and 2021, according to a study in the Journal of the American College of Surgeons.
Numbers wise there was effectively no mass school shootings prior to columbine.And it is certainly true that school security was incredibly relaxed prior to Columbine.School that is the keyword. But yes, also mass shootings in general were less common in the American past compared to the more modern era. We can get credit to our parents and grandparents for having a more polite
Again you're ultimately talking semantics apparently purely in terms of kill ratios, which doesn't really mean anything and even mass school shootings didn't start with Colombine anyway. A school shooting in 1893 left four dead, another in 1898 left six dead, one nut dynamited a school in 1927 leaving 45 dead., a school shooting in 1940 left five dead.I was a kid at the time but remember it being on the news about Patrick Purdy who killed six kids at a schoolyard. Only reason there have been more deaths at Colombine was probably because they'd heavier weaponry.
While pre Colombine mass school shootings are nowhere near as prevalent as today, it certainly didn't start there.
Thinking pornography leads to gun violence is just bizarre. It would be more likely caused by violent movies and video games, and I think those would have only a slight correlation, if any.
if anything pornography should lead to less violence. with the lack of sex men are now having without porn they would all be on the streets. unhappy men = civil war. I dont know why the increase but its definitely not porn lmao.
Actually I think its fairly obvious why. Theres a case for mental illness and that might be part of it but its simply just monkey see monkey do. People who normally would have just killed themselve saw all the successful school shootings and realized they could do that too.
It looks like something along the lines of 15-20% of teens now say either prefer that they werent born or would prefer a painless suicide over living compared to like 4-6% from 1990. I've seen people here say that same thing. That really feels like the effects of modern social media leading to depression and anxiety and social isolation causes those things. Its a powerful drug that just gets hand waived away
It looks like something along the lines of 15-20% of teens now say either prefer that they werent born or would prefer a painless suicide over living compared to like 4-6% from 1990. I've seen people here say that same thing. That really feels like the effects of modern social media leading to depression and anxiety and social isolation causes those things. Its a powerful dr
Right, "suicidal ideation" among youth has increased, but the actual "suicide death rate" hasn’t changed much since 1990. Even the peak numbers during covid are roughly in line with the peaks seen in the 70s and 80s.
Still, that teen suicide death rate is about 3x what it was in the 50s and early 60s. The dramatic rise in divorce rates and mothers entering the workforce are strong correlates.
It looks like something along the lines of 15-20% of teens now say either prefer that they werent born or would prefer a painless suicide over living compared to like 4-6% from 1990. I've seen people here say that same thing. That really feels like the effects of modern social media leading to depression and anxiety and social isolation causes those things. Its a powerful dr
Heh, I've been wishing I had never been born as long as I thought of the concept. Way before social media.
Right, "suicidal ideation" among youth has increased, but the actual "suicide death rate" hasn’t changed much since 1990. Even the peak numbers during covid are roughly in line with the peaks seen in the 70s and 80s.Still, that teen suicide death rate is about 3x what it was in the 50s and early 60s. The dramatic rise in divorce rates and mothers entering the workforce ar
I suspect a lot of suicides in the 50s and 60s were covered up. There was a lot more shame and blame connected to suicide then than there is today. You were also at the tail end of times when religious stigma around suicide was more of a thing.
Blindness to suicide and people being less open about depression / disorders likely also meant plenty suicides were never considered as such, both by people close to the victim and medical professionals / police. He fell, it was a gun accident, he overmedicated etc.
I suspect some of the rise in ideation can be explained along similar lines, in that survey research always has a weakness in many respondents reporting what they think is acceptable, rather than what they actually think. Not all, but enough to skew results.
