A thread for unboxing AI
The rapid progression of AI chatbots made me think that we need a thread devoted to a discussion of the impact that AI i
They have crippled it out of the gate by not using LIDAR. The higher end robot vacuums have LIDAR.
I think this is horribly misguided. Ever since the dawn of Man people have gathered together to share songs, jokes, stories etc and to think this physical experience can be happily replaced by images on a screen is daft.
It can't be. As i said, we tried it during covid and it doesn't work.
There was one advantage which is that it included people who lived remotely to each other. This is a bigger problem as you get older. Obviously you start off drinking heavily with school friends, then college friends, then work friends etc. At each stage you tend to lose people because they are too far away.
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I mighta had the first wedding. 10 year anniversary this summer. Not sure about the other guys' wedding status.
If paying a house cleaner rather than cleaning myself is eroding social cement, then so be it.
If buying a robot rather than paying a house cleaner is eroding social cement, then so be it.
In terms of being social, having others, people or robots, perform tedious tasks for you, allows you more time to be social with friends, colleagues, and the great folk of this forum.
What you’ve described doesn’t sound any different to any ruling class in any society employing servants to do perform their shittier tasks for them, except now the servants will be silicon based and the humans who would otherwise be doing them will be gone.
I didn't mean to imply that I was describing a fundamental change in the world. There have always been people emptying chamber pots. But I don't think your analogy validates my friend's point of view or makes the question not worth considering at a personal level.
If paying a house cleaner rather than cleaning myself is eroding social cement, then so be it.
If buying a robot rather than paying a house cleaner is eroding social cement, then so be it.
In terms of being social, having others, people or robots, perform tedious tasks for you, allows you more time to be social with friends, colleagues, and the great folk of this forum.
Everyone who isn't indigent hires people to do certain tasks that they don't want to do, me included. I don't mean to imply that hiring a plumber is a moral failing just because you might be able to spend your entire Saturday doing the job yourself.
But when you get to the point of saying that, in your perfect world, you would never shop for food, do laundry, change a lightbulb, load a dishwasher, change a tire, clean a window, change a diaper, find your own flight, make your own bowl of cereal, go to the post office, etc., that seems extreme to me. Maybe I'm crazy.
Everyone who isn't indigent hires people to do certain tasks that they don't want to do, me included. I don't mean to imply that hiring a plumber is a moral failing just because you might be able to spend your entire Saturday doing the job yourself.
I'd take that in a heartbeat. Doesn't seem like a stretch at all
Tech makes it far better because I don't want to expect another human (whether family or employee) to load the dishwasher for me etc. A robot absolutely. Sign me up.
When i walk the dog, a drone to hover behind me and pick up the poo would be ****ing awesome
I like this idea. Anyone want to start a company? www.shitdrone.com is still available
I got a 'robot' to do my cat litter. It's deluxe.
Wouldn't mind if my Optimus in the future could do the weekly dispensing of the poo bag.
Ok. We are very different, which i knew already. I don't want to live that differently from the way other people live.
Unusually on this one I'm confident I'm more normal. Domestic robots will sell like hotcakes and be absolutely standard as prices allow. Although by then you can get one because it's how everyone else lives.
I'd take that in a heartbeat. Doesn't seem like a stretch at all
Tech makes it far better because I don't want to expect another human (whether family or employee) to load the dishwasher for me etc. A robot absolutely. Sign me up.
I feel pretty confident that your opening up a can of worms with more depression and loss of purpose and identity if you have the robots doing more and more of the your basic tasks. You're essentially lowering the bar for tolerance and frustration when you get your food and everything you want immediately and are you somehow going to be better off handing the higher stress issues like parenting or aging without falling into depression? - because you've got a lot less patience and tolerance to handle such things compared to before.
What about just working out or reading a book or building a bookshelf or doing anything the brings you joy. Why bother doing any of those things and more importantly, what makes you think you'd enjoy those things now?
I don't see how you're not making it harder for you to find joy in those other things and progress is supposedly the number 1 word for happiness.
I got a 'robot' to do my cat litter. It's deluxe.
Wouldn't mind if my Optimus in the future could do the weekly dispensing of the poo bag.
How does this work? It's getting hard for mom to do this task.
We aren't discussing loading dishwashers here, chez. You're massively increasing dependence on something else to get you through the day. That will have consequences. And we already have seen this in the last 15 years. Lets hope that robot doesn't break down because so will you. But you're going to break down anyway to some degree because you've lost your agency and now yo
I wasn't even making as broad a point as you are. I was talking about the merits of using wealth to become an outlier in terms of how much you are able to avoid daily tasks that occupy other people's time.
I mostly agree with the broader point you are making as well, although I think the dependence that chez is so eager for is more or less inevitable in the long run.
I wasn't even making as broad a point as you are. I was talking about the merits of using wealth to become an outlier in terms of how much you are able to avoid daily tasks that occupy other people's time.
I mostly agree with the broader point you are making as well, although I think the dependence that chez is so eager for is more or less inevitable in the long run.
It's different for those of us that weren't even allowed to use calculators in math. I think we can appreciate not having to wash dishes, do laundry, etc...
For kids growing up with a domestic robot F72 makes a good point.
I mighta had the first wedding. 10 year anniversary this summer. Not sure about the other guys' wedding status.
i win for first, you win for length
kind of love how an obvious incel chose 3 of the posters here that probably fit in best with normal society - no projection at all 😀
I wasn't even making as broad a point as you are. I was talking about the merits of using wealth to become an outlier in terms of how much you are able to avoid daily tasks that occupy other people's time.
In and of itself, I don't have an issue with someone who dug a well instead of running up and down the hill with a bucket for water.
Deprivation of someone's ability to provide for themselves is different. But if someone builds an automated farm and just sits around while everyone else has to work for their food, I don't care.
2k a month is basically noise as an added cost for an engineer and your 2k is on the high end. we use the latest models and as a group of about a dozen spend around 3k monthly combined
i recently rejoined the tech workforce after a 14 year hiatus and always been more product and big picture oriented - roadmaps, ux, how systems fit together - less about sitting there writing production code all day. in my last job i had 15 engineers working on my projects. in this one i have 4... and we’re shipping faster
the difference is ai. it’s like having 20 mildly sleep deprived moldovan junior engineers who had two shots of vodka over lunch working for $3 an hour at my beck and call who instantly produce drafts, code, mocks and revisions on demand and never complain. jokes aside, that's what it genuinely feels like
i still rely on real engineers to test, validate and deploy properly. but i can now do most of the legwork myself before it ever hits their desk. instead of showing up with an abstract idea of "i want to do x, is that possible and if so, what will it take?" and instead i show up with something tangible that’s already been pushed and broken a few times and the discussion is less about "can we do this" and instead framed on "this is what we're doing, here's how it will be done, this is where you come in to plug the gaps" - what used to take days of back and forth now happens in hours. it’s not perfect, but it’s good enough to move fast
ai won’t do much for someone who’s passive. but if you’re wired to iterate and chase incremental improvements, it’s gasoline. building dfs and sportsbetting models was thousands of small refinements compounding over time. this feels like that same dynamic - just with dramatically more leverage
ai also grants someone who sees gaps in the market the resources to actually build the solution, where before they’d be restricted by lack of time, funding and domain expertise. it’s already pushing me to work on side projects i wouldn’t have attempted two years ago, and i expect to have multiple passive income streams by the end of the year because of it
We aren't discussing loading dishwashers here, chez. You're massively increasing dependence on something else to get you through the day. That will have consequences. And we already have seen this in the last 15 years. Lets hope that robot doesn't break down because so will you. But you're going to break down anyway to some degree because you've lost your agency and now yo
Not sure what we're talking about anymore. I'll take the domestic robot in a heartbeat but it's only a small step from where I am now. I live in a flat so I don't have any garden or external maintenance to worry about, I have no car as I live in central london and don't need one, I have a dishwasher/WM so spend minutes on laundry etc. Vast majority of my shopping including food is delivered and the next diaper I have to worry about will probably be my own. None of this seems anything to do with agency.
Agency will come into it if I don't die in time. Then then I do hope to become dependent on a robots over other humans as much as possible. Losing your independence is one of the very sucky things about getting old.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/ne...
this right here is exactly what i'm talking about - dude wanted to figure out his schedule so just used ai to build a schedule builder and figured why not share it with others for free
that was 100% something done in a span of a few hours for fun by that guy
you can tell it's ai generated not only from his own explanation (as it makes no sense to spend the kind of time and resources building that out for his own personal use and no profit) but also from people pointing out the obvious bugs as he didn't test those edge cases himself as he doesn't play pot limit so missed the mistake the ai made
and just looking at the site - this is the exact kind of generic work they produce if you don't give design prompts and they just do it themselves
the world is your oyster - anyone here in this thread could have built this in hours with a $20 monthly subscription
I mostly agree with the broader point you are making as well, although I think the dependence that chez is so eager for is more or less inevitable in the long run.
In the same sense that we're dependent on electricity, water utility, internet etc. All stuff that I would take in a heartbeat and is awesome. Again I think I'm the norm on this and it's just an extension of what we have always done.
There is serious profoundly different stuff coming. Human augmentation, relationships with robots (never forget chezlaw's 12th law "There will be sex robots"), immersive virtual reality, robot rights etc. That's all debate worthy.
I didn't mean to imply that I was describing a fundamental change in the world. There have always been people emptying chamber pots. But I don't think your analogy validates my friend's point of view or makes the question not worth considering at a personal level.
No it doesn't validate it, and I didn't want it to because although your friend can make his own choices I wouldn't want to live like him and it saddens me that people do.
I quite enjoy doing menial tasks like removing bin bags, taking the rubbish out and doing the washing up. The things we get help with are the things we are unable to do ourselves.
i win for first, you win for length
kind of love how an obvious incel chose 3 of the posters here that probably fit in best with normal society - no projection at all 😀
I've been married for a dozen years or so, thank you. You didn't strike me as the marrying type, so I stand corrected.
When i walk the dog, a drone to hover behind me and pick up the poo would be ****ing awesome
I like this idea. Anyone want to start a company? www.shitdrone.com is still available
You might find it "awesome" until the government agency with a back door into your drone decided to eliminate you because of various demos, online posts etc.
I agree that the dangers we face are a very serious concern.
That's a given anyway and should very much be the stuff of politics. You doing the dishes isn't going to save you and they wont be reliant on my shitdrone ™
In the same sense that we're dependent on electricity, water utility, internet etc. All stuff that I would take in a heartbeat and is awesome. Again I think I'm the norm on this and it's just an extension of what we have always done.There is serious profoundly different stuff coming. Human augmentation, relationships with robots (never forget chezlaw's 12th law "There will be s
I'm not arguing that it will bring in the zombie apocalypse, I'm talking more about the effects of advanced AI. I'm arguing that the effects will be different than electricity and the dishwasher. Having the ability to use a microwave to cook my food quicker is different than having a life manager decide what and when I should eat, track my intake and adjust accordingly to my behavior and health for example. I'm not talking about a robot delivering food.
It's awesome that we have streaming platforms that auto select what it thinks we want to watch or motivates us in a particular direction, but it still leads to a much shorter attention span and restlessness and the simple inability to perform tasks outside of it as well as before. Simply put, when systems increasingly decide for us, we lose control of ourselves.
That won't be a bad thing for everyone, especially the olds, but it probably will exacerbate some of the mental health struggles we see now as a result considering we are now speeding up the rate at which people are losing the capacity to control their own lives.
