Did I make correct flop fold?
Been bothering me. Effective stacks $800. $1/$2 with 50c ante.
I am first to act with AsKsKh9d2d.
I pot. Next person calls, small blind repots and I call and so does other villain. There is $100 in pot.
Flop is 5h2s2h.
Small blind bets $60. I call. Villain to my left pots and small blind repots making it $600 to me.
I FOLD based on the logic that for sure someone has A2 and certain that someone else, if not both, has A3 for low. Also certainly made boat was possible with 2,5 or 5,5. I had no low potential or even flush. My only way to possible scoop or get half was with a 9 or one of two remaining Kings.
Did I make the right play?
It is super painful because a King hit Turn and 5 on River and I would have scooped. Small blind showed A2 for scoop. He had A23 and other guy had A3467 for super wrap.
Thoughts?
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Any merit to four betting pre in an effort to iso?
Flop spot is not fun, you're getting quartered and scooped by a few hands that should exist based on pre flop activity. Itv would be wishful thinking that you're playing against AA3.
What were the rough stack sizes of the other two players?
It was easy fold, they could have boated up already.
The guy with the wrap was a whale. A2 guy overvalues his hand. He is at least a fish.
You did the right thing folding
Any merit to four betting pre in an effort to iso?
Flop spot is not fun, you're getting quartered and scooped by a few hands that should exist based on pre flop activity. Itv would be wishful thinking that you're playing against AA3.
What were the rough stack sizes of the other two players?
Same as me ~800. Obviously I wish it was all-in pre-flop but I was concerned about an AA.
I think I made correct fold on flop and my logic was correct. It did turn out exactly like I imagined with both having A3 and one having A2. So my only hope for getting half or all was a 9 or K and pretty much the rest of the deck is super trouble.
It was easy fold, they could have boated up already.
The guy with the wrap was a whale. A2 guy overvalues his hand. He is at least a fish.
You did the right thing folding
It sure didn’t seam like an easy fold 😀
And the K on Turn was a gut punch.
You’re right about the guy going all-in with a wrap. Awful player. The guy with A2 had the 3 as well.
Should I have tried to make it an all-pre flop?
I wouldn’t try to get it all in pre this deep.
Very easy fold.
Pre is not that straight forward. 9 is a horrible card and you are deep so I'm just flatting the 3bet. With say 50bb it's usually an easy getin. 100bb depends on villain tendencies. Many weaker players are 3betting only AA against which your hand is not that great obv.
Very easy fold.
Pre is not that straight forward. 9 is a horrible card and you are deep so I'm just flatting the 3bet. With say 50bb it's usually an easy getin. 100bb depends on villain tendencies. Many weaker players are 3betting only AA against which your hand is not that great obv.
Ty amok. I was waiting to hear your take.
I find that A2KKx looks good but not super premium. You only have one low possibility that can easily be counterfeited and unless a K hits, your high hand is minimized. A lousy pair that is rarely good at Big O.
I can't comment on the strategy, but the part where you describe it as super painful because you would have scooped caught my eye. The most resilient players tie their emotions to the quality of their decisions instead of the outcome of the hand. Create a habit of evaluating your play on factors you can control, and over time the structure of your brain will actually change, routing thoughts more toward logic and less toward emotion. You're already moving in that direction by putting effort into analyzing your decisions!
In plo8 when money flies mulitiway on:
5-2-2 with 2 hearts, it is extremely polarised towards:
A2xx - nut boat - top of range
A2 + hearts - nut boat + redraw
A3xx - nut law draw + counterfeit outs
22xx - quads
55xx rare
What you have is:
Overpair KK, backdoor spade draw, no heart draw, no realistic low, no straight draw, only 2 kings and 9 is dirty if someone has A3, and 9 may not be clean if someone has 55. You're currently crushed A2, 22. You're in bad shape Vs A3 as you need to dodge low cards, only doing well against complete air, whivh does not look likely in this action
Let's say that one has got the A2xx and another has got A3xx with hearts you'd usually be under 15% . Calling 600 to maybe winning 2000 pot would require 30+% equity, which you don't have!
This is a good disciplined fold with good structured reasonings
Limp call, maybe even limp fold, utg super deep?
As played, can we fold on flop when 3bettor pf bets out with a player behind us?
Isn’t it a fundamental of Big O not to play four-card hands, especially out of position?
AKK2 is plenty of hand
