Aggro young V applies turn pressure at 1/3

...if...
...mostly...
...but...
...depends....
...decide later.....

So you have no helpful advice on this hand at all then? Do I have that right?

I'm sorry, I meant to write: What was your plan when you raised pre with A2s? Follow that plan. Nothing more to discuss.

That would have been a much better post with clear actionable advice.

As someone who regularly plays these small suited aces 150bb+ deep, the plan is to make a flush or disguised straight and stack these fools.

When you flop top pair you should mainly just be trying to get to showdown. Maybe call a small bet or two to realize equity and keep them from bluffing you. The last thing you want to be doing is betting and then calling a raise, although as played you might have induced the bluff with the small turn bet, so who knows.

My post was a joke to pres2. LOL. I'm c-betting. I like flopping top pair, and I like charging them to draw or continue with worse if they are non-believers. As I stated, if (and I say if because I don't do it but OP did) I check the flop, then I check the turn and let him bet. And because plans don't always go as planned, I might do something different based on who V is, stack size, how they react, how much they bet, what the turn is, etc.

Flop check with weak top pair OOPnis perfectly reasonable. An Ace-high flop will rarely be a range check as the PFR even OOP, but certainly there are going to be some checks and this hand plays fine as a check.

Don't mind a delayed cbet either, particularly with the additional equity. So played fine until this point.

Will this player just call preflop with hands like A5s or JJ? Call to the sizeable turn raise feels marginal, that said you might expect some of the nutted flop hands to bet flop and build a pot against your Ax or KK or whatever. Maybe leaning very slightly towards a turn fold but don't think it's terrible at all.

Check-calling river to a small sizing which button could use to drive away your single pair hands. If he bets big enough to scare away strong hands then allow yourself to be scared away

Again, you've misunderstood.

I said I *MOSTLY* check range, when I'm OOP and HU as the PFR. I've also said I have some c-bets. I assure you that I would absolutely bet all those hands here.

Well played.

Agreed on all points. I think a flop check, followed by a small turn bet, can definitely induce more bluffs from an aggro V in position.

You must have misspoke, which I'm glad to hear actually. It would be pretty bad to check range on a board that's so favorable for the preflop raiser.

I was referencing this comment:

Anyway I don't mean to pile on. Carry on.

Yeah, your thoughts echo mine in-game.

The one challenge I have is that if a V is capable of finding bluff-raises on the turn, he may be capable of barreling, even for a big size, especially if this line means we have zero river donks. And I think that's what it means.

Like, he's super-polar here. I don't see many V's raising the turn as a bluff IP, and then just betting small when we check river. If they're going to give up with a bluff, they just check back. When the river pairs top card, it's hard for us to have AX here, so it's tempting to for them to rep AX to make us fold KK/QQ or just KQ when they have a worse busted draw.

So, getting to the river, I was giving him a range that was either a flopped or turned combo draw, or a turned 2P or set. It's like all the combos of KJhh/KThh/QThh/76hh for bluffs, and 55/A5/J5/54 for 2P and sets.

The question is how often does he jam with his bluffs or worse 2P, and is that often enough to compensate for the times he just has 55 or A5?

From my OP (and posts in other threads):

I’m check calling all day baby. Once I call the turn I’m not folding on that river.

Not even to a jam?

It’s easier to put out three red chips than two red chips & three blue ones.

But either way, it’s the most irrelevant comment ever made about a 1-3 NLHE hand.

As played its a check-fold. When you just call that big of a raise on the turn, he has to figure you for AX and expect a cry call if tries to ram like 76hh through. He's almost certainly checking back AT-6 for the same reason.

BTW river cards aren't blockers.

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I'm not sure I follow your point about checking back AT-A6 on the river. Because he loses to better AX?

Not arguing, just probing...

If we're expecting V to bet flop with AX or better, maybe even JX or better, could we make a case for calling the turn raise with any combos that aren't AX or better? Like, are we just insta-mucking KK/QQ? What about KQhh/KThh/QThh? What about 76hh? T9hh? KJ?

If we're only calling with AX or better, are we ever 3B'ing the turn? I ask because if we fold all our draws, we're super-capped when a draw comes in on the river, and have no bluffs when the draws brick or the board pairs. Would we 3B AA? JJ? 55? 44? AJ? A5? A4? A3? A2? Any of our draws?

If we're not raising turn, and not necessarily folding everything that isn't AX or better, I'd think we get to the river with a range that includes some sets, some 2P, some TP, some 2nd pair, some middle pair, and some busted draws.

If V has both value and bluffs in his turn raising range, but he doesn't have any combos of AX, AJ, or A4 after checking back the flop, on the river I'd think he's left with a range that is weighted towards strong but non-nutted hands, counterfeited 2P, and busted draws.

If that's his range, and we think he's just checking back his middling hands, that means he's betting polar, right? If so, that mean he's only betting boats, and the hands that don't have much if any showdown value, which would be his busted draws and counterfeited 2P?

If we're only continuing on the turn with AX or better, and rarely if ever 3B'ing, and V is just going to check back trips, and we only have trips or top boat in our range, does V have any bluffs? Does he even have any bets? Is he betting 55 when we can have top boat?

Not a fan of pre, not a fan of the hand and sizing is too big. We mostly just do a lot of checking on flop and turn with our hand. As played we check river, not sure how to react to diff sizings. I think we'll 55 here a lot tbh, I don't think people do a lot of bluffing on these type of boards.

People take free cards all the time and bluff later streets. This isn't a new concept. Probably new to you as this likely doesn't happen at 2nl.

I think A6s/A3s/A2s are very overrated, even if you are supposed to have a good image people still just randomly call KJo/T9o/whatever and it's difficult to realize equity. Even solvers don't open A2s EP. Even the bluff solver hands A5s/A4s want more fold equity than we usually have for an open at random live low stakes games. Main argument for opening even A5s/A7s is if you think it improves your winrate of other hands IMO.

Turn I would not classify 20 into 30 as a "somewhat small size". Hands that we might bet now but didn't bet flop are going to be like QJ-A9, also note sure this card is great for that. 54s specifically might value raise turn and we aren't crushed by it, would assume most of the rest of the value hands we are crushed by though (55/A5s/32s maybe even 44). He can maybe have some bluffs here, but I doubt there's enough to justify the call and he has to slow down on a lot of rivers so we can realize. Would probably just sigh fold, even with the gutter (also note that if we hit our gutter 76 gets there).

River seems like one of our best cards, but V should also think that. Would start by checking ... I think donk block betting mostly puts us on trips of some kind, and it's difficult for worse to call. Also while it's a good card for us, I don't think it changes us from losing to winning vs. the turn value raising range enough. If we had AA then block betting rivers might be best, but not even sure about AJ.

If he bets, after we check, on the river we are bluff catching.

19 days is a long time not to bet/fold, man.

Happy 19th day on 2p2, Prez!

Glad to see you getting revved up and putting things in order around here after taking 19 days & running nights to get the lay of the land.

id b10 otr.

dont think you want to choose overbet as cbet on this size. (this is misapplication)

folding turn seems crazy to me

would bet 10 instead of 20 ott, particularly w this combo. u r supposed to be polar here but i dont think thats necessary. but would b33 if u dont want to be polar, and i think regardless it makes most sense w your hand