TT v sharp reg draw heavy flop 5 10 NL
5 10 NL Cash, 10 ante
Table image of Hero is unclear. My read on the Villain was that of a savvy, loose reg more than willing to play trash in position.
Hero is SB; Villain is CO.
Villain opens for 40; Hero raises to 115 with TT. Villain calls.
Pot is 250 going to the flop.
Flop is 5 6 7, two clubs.
Hero bets 230, Villain makes it 700 to go. Hero shoves, and Villain calls approx $1800 more on top of the $700 to win $3450.
Turn and river were cards that neither completed a flush nor a straight, nor were either face cards; Villain mucked his cards and Hero takes the pot with TT.
My guess is Villian had board pair with an open ender, Ace open ender, or board pair with the club draw, or possibly 88.
Any thoughts on how to approach this pot OOP with TT? Just general principles against the spectrum of player types.
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Again, I don't play this big. Take it for what's it worth.
Btw, I wouldn't give results immediately. Like looking at the results right away here, I'd be more inclined to say well play instead of criticizing your play. But hey what do we know, most people play lower stakes here.
Eff is around 2600 if I added the numbers correctly.
Preflop
I'd at least 3b to 4x oop.
Flop
I'm not too sure about a cbet but definitely not for this size. I'd probably would check range on this flop.
When facing a raise on this board after we make a pot size cbet screams alot of strength to me.
V has some st8s, 2pairs, sets, and alot of draws like 8xcc, 9xcc type hands, some combo draws like pair+fd, pair+st8d, a gazillion draws out there.
Against all this range, I'm not sure jamming is the play here. Most of his villains draws have like 50/50 vs us, then all his value range has us owned.
If I somehow cbet pot here then facing a raise, I'd probably fold.
What is eff?
Also, I can sympathize with fearing his range given the flop and action, but my read after the flop raise was big draw, worse hand. The flop raise sizing, in particular, said to me not 2P, or a super powerful draw. 3x+ in the circumstances just said 'go away' to me.
3b bigger pre, about 4x.
I think there’s some merit in betting this combo, but pot-sized bet and over pot-sized 3b shove is very likely an overplay.
Semi-grunch (I read RaiseA's post):
PRE - agree with RaiseA - 3B bigger. If we're doing something fancy that calls for a smaller 3B size, then go even smaller. TT doesn't seem like it benefits from getting fancy.
FLOP - I imagine theory would say this flop is better for him than for us, and therefore we should check from OOP. If V's a dope who'll float with ATC, I guess we can c-bet TT for value and some protection, but this is a flop that would seem to favor a range of ATC pre, and I'd think a savvy V is going to find reasons to raise when we come out swinging for a PSB on this board texture.
Why you no c-bet smaller, if you're range-betting? If you're range-betting, make it $75 to $100, and see where it goes.
As played, I kinda think a 3x raise size on this board is semi-FOS, but every time I think that I seem to be wrong and V is just milking us with a small bet, praying we don't fold, and beats us into the pot when we jam.
A small bit of poo might escape my bottom if he snap calls our jam. Somewhat surprised he'd make this play with worse value, or even 1P + a draw. I think I'd just smooth call your c-bet as V, when I'd be weighting your range towards over-pairs that aren't likely to fold.
As for how to approach / general principles - always 3B'ing it pre. Checking or c-betting flop kinda depends on a lot of variables but very few scenarios where the EV difference between checking and c-betting is going to be huge. Either betting small, like 1/3 pot in a 3BP, or potting it as a hard exploit of specific V's tendencies. Hard to find a good rationale for 3B'ing the flop.
I'd think he'd 4B pre with QQ+/AK, maybe even JJ+/AQs, and possibly even wider than that. If we think his 4B range is that wide, he's pretty capped going to the flop, such that our 3B is targeting a pretty narrow range of 88/99. I can't imagine he's raising flop with just two overs, so the rest of his range seems like it would be a ton of 2P+, and just 1P + a draw for bluffs.
Hence, the escaping poo when he calls our jam. If we're not already beat, it's a fair fight.
preflop sizing is small. were 2200-ish eff. ( 115+230+1800)??
we should be 3b when OOP to 4x. so 150-175 is good.
flop is very dicey for our range. we either have overpair or 2 overs and fd. im going to take a guess that when you bomb for pot you have an overpair or fd and check with hands like AKdd,AQdd,Ac+{Kx,Qx(non-club)}??
just trying to understand how you approach boards to help give you advice that matters instead of just telling you solver this or that. I have a tendency to do that without really thinking so figured i would try a different approach. do you 3b/fold in SB or do you mix calling aswell?
