2/5 flop nuts, we stab? or slowplay?
2/5 8 handed, Monday 4pm
Table is very passive, with some regfishes and a whale.
V just got back from a long food break.
He is a reg here, usually 'passive', can make some aggro plays but passive in general, will iso fish light.
I've played a session with him before, nothing stood out compared to aggro regs.
HH1
Regfish limps
another limper
V opens to 30
3way flop 846hhh V cbets 35, regfish clicks it to 105, V calls
turn 2c Regfish bets 210 V jams for 1k+,regfish tank fold. If I had to guess V either has nut flush or 2nd nuts type hand.
HH2
Regfish opens to 20 in co
Aggrofish in btn calls
V in sb 3bets to 100.
Regfish clicks it to 305 w/300 behind?
V tankcall w/TT
Flop 542 xx
Turn 2, V ships, Regfish snaps w/55???
I have no clue of our image, maybe aggro last session. This session uber nitty, showing up with nuts only. Not sure if V is paying attention, he was gone for a long time this session.
Eff 1100, V covers
Aggrofish straddles to 10
V in Mp opens to 30
Hero in Co flats w/T♠T♣ (there is a huge whale in sb), normally we 3bet. V should have tight open w/no limpers.
Hu pot 77
Flop T♦3♣4♥
V checks
Hero? we supposed to slowplay? or stab small w/range?
Textbook check. You have the board clobbered and V probably has lots of outs to 2nd best hands.
Grunch:
PRE - 3B. If SB is a whale he may cold call. The opener is passive, yet he's raising, so he has a hand. Just 3B.
FLOP - bet 1/2 pot, like $40. He's passive. He under-c-bets. He raised pre. He probably isn't folding to a single 1/2 pot bet.
I think we should bet 1/3 to 1/2 because I wouldn’t expect a lot of folds.
Textbook check. You have the board clobbered and V probably has lots of outs to 2nd best hands.
textbook bet. V is going to be indifferent to any bet but check for lots of pot control. He can even have AA here. Checking ensures we win the minimum, betting builds a pot and exploits his range and sometimes coolers him.
My business card reads "Pot Builder"
+1 to betting, go for 40% $35
Don’t like checking here, because v is a passive player that will likely call, but not put money in himself. Checking to let him catch up sounds good, but if he checks the turn, you’re simply not going to get any value with this monster hand.
Think I’d bet a quarter, everyone calls that and it still looks like you’re fishing. One of the most nutted lines out there is check the flop, bet the turn, so you avoid getting those folds.
I think you leveled yourself out of a 3bet that would have made things much easier. Now betting the flop would look natural.
I bet $25 with my entire range here. Checking when we're 220bb deep vs. a passive villain while holding the nuts seems bad.
yep. Also betting 25-30. He'll float his two overs and call with his pocket pairs
So you all think its ok to fold out dozens and dozens and dozens of combos from Vs range. Combos that could easily make a dominated pair or bluffable draw on the next street.
You think that's OK cuz maybe V is slowplaying Aces and there is a chance we can cooler him????
The whale shows on this forum are going to put SeaWorld out of business
Well I raise now. We can't size for stacks unless he 3bets us so I guess I just make it ~$80.
In every hand history given, V is shoveling money in the pot with made hands.
Here he's checking on a dry board that mostly whiffs his range.
And you guys all just *decided* that he's slowplaying a monster.
Clown world
So you all think its ok to fold out dozens and dozens and dozens of combos from Vs range. Combos that could easily make a dominated pair or bluffable draw on the next street.
You think that's OK cuz maybe V is slowplaying Aces and there is a chance we can cooler him????
The whale shows on this forum are going to put SeaWorld out of business
What exactly are you talking about?
I’m raising to $80 here. We need to get money into the pot
Wait a minute! That's the same amount everyone in this thread says we should have bet on the flop.
So there's now the exact same amount of villain's money in the pot as there would be had we bet the flop and got checked to on the turn.
Except now, V has a bluff range, and our hand is under-repped.
Can one of you whales explain why you don't prefer that?
Jesus.
This is why we don't slow-play on the flop. If we raise now, it'll look exactly like we were trapping on the flop, hoping to induce him to bet. What could we possibly have that would want to raise here, that isn't nutted?
You're going to have to fake-tank, like you just have AKo. Look at your cards, then just call. Pray he's on a flush draw that gets there, or turned trips, and puts in a big river bet.
Apparently not in that hand history where hero had KK and you wanted to fold to V's flop check-raise. Did you forget that one already?
Huh?
Is this the same guy where I CORRECTLY advised against committing stacks with a medium strength hand against a nuttish range that just check-raised two players? I don't see that information provided. Once again you're making things up from imagination-land to support your bizarre and self-indulgent method of losing money. Stop trying to push it on to other people.
How was it correct when the rest of us knew not to fold and KK won?
Bet the flop. As played, raise to $60 - $75.
