1/3 AKs facing limp/3b

I probably ship, but I'm a whale, apparently.

I mean...you've been here before. We know the reasons. We block AA and KK. V could have worse AX or we can fold out a PP against which we'd be flipping. Worst case is he calls and we're drawing slim against AA/KK, but that's poker.

It's less than 100BB's. Just stick it in.

ETA - before anyone gets on me for saying he could have worse AX, I've made this exact play with A8o, sitting to the right of an aggro opponent who was opening wide. I limped UTG. He opened, got three calls, I 3B obnoxiously large, they all folded. He made some snarky comment about it being obvious what I had, and I showed him A8o because I can be an a$$hole too.

It's a bit more than 100bb in a 1/3 game.

If we ship we have to put in 310ish which is still over 100bb.

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If this is all I'm working with for reads, then it's a fold.

Unless and until my own eyeballs have witnessed someone limp/rr with AQ, I'm not considering that a possibility. I'm ranging V with 100% pairs until proven otherwise. Against 99+ we have 42%. Against JJ+, we have 38%. These are not good numbers especially when you consider we won't realize those %'s unless we see all five cards, which we sometimes won't.

We're being offered 2 to 1 odds to call in position. But we won't hit 1 in 3 flops. And half the flops we do hit will be reverse implied odds black holes. When we connect with the flop, we will rarely get big value from V's JJ/QQ but we'll always go broke against his AA/KK

Just give up the $20 and move on to the next hand. This isn't a tournament. It's all one long session.

I would limp in as per my style in non-LP.

Although my LRR style has a much wider range than KK+, I default that range to others until I see otherwise. So I would make a nitty fold here until I know better against this guy.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Should have jammed pre.

Should have bet smaller on flop, like $25, just 10% pot.

The limp-3B from EP is so strong. He doesn't have that much remaining, and we've got another opponent left to act behind us. Just jam pre, to push V2 out, and get stacks in with V1.

As played, we should be betting very small to put pressure on worse AX and KK/QQ to continue. If someone has 2P+, we'll find out soon enough.

250 behind is alot, we had no fold equity against his range imho.
I thought this was either a call or fold spot against premium range.
We only invested 20$, shipping is another 310$ on top, against QQ+/AK+ range we are 42/58 dog

Of course if villain is a maniac or has a non premium range, then it'd be printing to ship.

Postflop is kinda one of the reasons we shouldn't be flatting preflop in that our RIO vs IO suck, imo. We're simply not going to hit the A/K on the flop against KK- enough of the time, and meanwhile when we do the only time any real money goes in is when we're coolered.

As played, I believe we just have a PSB behind? Board isn't too drawy although I guess it might suck to give two opponents a free card to bink when we're never going to be able to fold in a huge pot. But I'd consider a check here to try and eke out some value, but otherwise our quite small bet seems ok.

ETA: That stove above is very misleading / not very useful as it is assuming we're realizing our equity all the time when we're simply not. And it also ignores how money goes in, say, on this AJx flop. If dood is happy putting in all the money on this flop we're pretty much at best chopping (and often behind); otherwise, as can be seen, it is difficult to extract from worse with this hand (with really the only exception kinda being AQ and I'll let you decide how many have AQ in their LRR range).

GcluelessNLnoobG

I don't have the math skillz to figure it out but against a big pear heavy range from V1 my guess is that we'd actually want V2's overlay to help pad our odds, although that's just a guess and it may depend on what V2 has.

Not sure if you meant to word it like this, but the last thing we want to do is apply "pressure" to worse Ax/KK/QQ as obviously we want them to stick around. Also not sure what you're expecting to do against 2P+ in an SPR 1 pot; are you betting 10% PSB to fold?

GcluelessNLnoobG

I 100% ship this.

Not the flex you think it is

What? You make zero sense, which is expected, I guess. Or, are you implying that a 57-year-old grandmother is flexing? LOL. I am probably stronger than you are, but come on.

"shipping" this hand is absolute whale-spew

I wonder if your grandkids know how much better their Christmas presents could be if Nana could fold a hand once in a while.

Once again, docvail and I would cover you at this table 😉 Of course, we can flex!

Go ahead and give me a limp/3b range from an unknown against which we have a 45.6% equity for a break-even shove.

Let's see the flex meemaw

Heck, you don't even have the correct Villain. LOL.

No answer is still an answer

Everyone can see this

Calling feels like the worst option of all honestly, especially with that reasoning. Not sure though, I'm never in this spot. I do agree you probably have no fold equity when you shove.

Put the 2nl grinder on ignore and enjoy your peace. We all clash all the time but this guy is straight up ******ed. Playing 2nl and thinking his advice is worth reading.

+1 (at least to the former)

I only put posters on my Ignore List when they are completely and utter *******s (the validness of the points they make is irrelevant in this regards, life is simply too short to deal with *******s). Prez made it ito my Ignore List in the very first interaction I had with him, probably a record. Not sure if that's due to my putting-up-with-BS tolerance diminishing greatly as I age, or due to simlpy how big an ******* he is (probably both).

Gclueless*******noobG

I'm hearing a lot of "He's an ass hole"

And not a lot of "here's why he's wrong about poker"

Once again, and to hopefully be very clear, we do NOT count the money already in the pot. If V has $250 behind after raising to $85, then we'd be shipping another $250, which is less than 100BB's.

This is so not worth arguing over. If it's $250 or $310, even $310 is 103.33333 BB's. The debate is pointless, and pedantic, and adds nothing to anyone's understanding of how to approach this spot.