1/3 AK line check

Don't love it b/c players always put you on AK and call with any overpair. The issue is that you dominate a lot of his calling range (AQ/AJ, KQ, KT/KJs, ATs, Axs). He's also got hands like QJs, JTs, T9s, QTs etc) that you're ahead of but only has 6 outs. I prefer checking the flop b/c that's what I'd do with AA/KK in this situation. I like check calling the flop and turn here keeping the pot manageable and making him barrel the river.

Jesus. Do you just get AK every other hand, or what? Must be nice.

Grunch:

PRE - the 4x 3B from OOP is standard. When he's only starting with $400, I might size up or down, depending on feelz. Usually I'd size down slightly when we're starting out more shallow, but if I think he's going to continue too wide, I'll size up slightly.

FLOP - just check when HU and OOP as the PFR, especially on these low-midding boards that don't really favor our range. It doesn't really favor his very much, but he's going to have some nutted combos we won't have as the 3B'er. Check and see what he does.

TURN - We gots no pair and we gots no draw. Seems like a pretty straightforward fold when he opens, calls our 3B, calls our c-bet, and jams for pot.

With no other significant dead money in the pot, non-short stacks, OOP, facing a large raise, and possibly fine with inviting the limper along with a dominated hand, I would have no issues just flatting preflop. I'll probably be outvoted.

SPR is only 2. I think the question we have to ask ourselves is will a typical villain fold an overpair (his most likely hand given preflop unless he's super loose) in this size pot. My answer is probably not. So I give up on the flop, check, hope he checks back, and hope I bink a later street.

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Flop bet fine, pretty sure sizing is not. Turn has got to be a check and as played a huge torch? We're pretty much folding out hands we beat and getting snapped by all pairs?

So this line is ok for our TT+ range?

I don't mind it. I might go a little bigger on the flop so the turn doesn't look quite so desperate (if that makes sense). It's tough for V to call here with much, although he might look you up w/ a pair.

Any vibe from this guy? What vibe do you give off? (As a middle-aged+ woman, I could probably get away with it if they just met me.)

If I had to guess, it was recfish vibe.
I am an asian guy late 30s, might have aggro vibe, since I'm getting looked up alot lately when I'm usually very nitty.
Can't tell if it's the pools problem or it's my image/vibe.

Now, that I think about it, I should probably just nit it up every time I'm new to the table vs unknowns.

We should do a lot of checking on this turn I imagine but yes from an exploit pov you're probably right.

Don't bluff a population that calls too much.

Yep, I'd nit it up. Sorry for the stereotype, but young Asian guys are thought of as being aggro/gambly the same way I am considered to be tight/passive/scared$ 😉

Actually, you might want to cultivate that aggro/gambly image in small pots and then value the heck out of them in big ones!

Oh, crap. I misread the OP. I thought V jammed.

I mean...I got nothing here. Pour one out for Dango's bankroll...

IMO, no, it isn't.

V opened in the CO over a limp. In theory, CO can be wide, but he's supposed to be at least a little tighter when he's raising over a limp. And the earlier the limper's position, the tighter the CO should be opening.

Your read is just MAWG. Here again, some observation of something other than his showdowns might give us some insight into his playing style. Maybe we could have some ideas about if he's just playing his entire range as raise-or-fold, or if he's more on the TAG side and only raising 99+/AQ.

Without any reads, I wouldn't rule out the CO opening 77, 66, or 76s. He could have 88+, 98 for an OESD, etc. When you 3B from the BB, you're generally supposed to be tight, because people aren't supposed to limp, and you'd usually be closing the action. Here, you're not closing the action. The limper could be planning to limp-3B, so you're supposed to be even tighter with your 3B's.

In this set-up, when you 3B and the limper folds, a lot of low-stakes recs won't 4B. Some don't have a 4B range. Some won't 4B when they're in position. Some are good enough to realize that starting out $400 eff, it'll be easy to get stacks in by the river, so they'll sand-bag with their big PP's and AK.

So...he can have a lot of nutted hands here. He can have some decent draws here. He can have all the over-pairs. And we...we basically just have 99+/AK, and we might be flatting 99/TT here at some frequency. Even if we have an over-pair, that doesn't mean we get to go buck-wild on 766rb in this config.

When we go 3B-c-bet-jam, he's just folding out 22, 44, 55, and AX. He's obviously never folding 66, 77, or 76. He might fold 88-TT, but he might not. Your line just isn't that credible for over-pairs. It looks bluffy as hell, because you can't rep any of the nutted hands he can have. If he just has an over-pair, you're trying to get him to fold close to top of range.

If you're range-betting this flop, you're c-betting WAY too much. If you're c-betting all your over-pairs, you're probably still c-betting too much. If I somehow 3B pre with 77, 66, or 76, I'd c-bet really small, size up a little on the turn, and try to shape the pot for a less than all-in river jam, praying to get snapped off by 88+.

Otherwise, I'm just range-checking the flop from OOP. Even if we have an over-pair, it's basically just thin value / SDV / bluff-catcher on this board. If you have a nitty image, sure, go crazy with AK. If you're not sure, just check and let him tell you what he has by his actions.

So...not looking to call out GreatWhiteFish, but he's been on me lately about betting too linearly. And...this is why. At 1/3, and to a lesser extent 2/5, the population just under-folds.

That's not to say we should never bluff, obviously, but our bluffs need to make sense. This one really doesn't.

If you know V is opening too wide, you can apply pressure, but you're targeting such a narrow range here. If he's opening wide, he could have smashed this flop. The parts of his range that might fold are the under-pairs to the board, maybe a handful of the lower over-pairs to the board, and his un-paired over-cards.

We can make more of his value range fold if we're just patient and check to him. I'd check flop, and if he checks back, I'd check again on the turn. He might start stabbing at it with all his value and all his air, and his bet sizing is likely to tell us which it is. We can check-raise the $hlt out of him when he stabs small, and LOL-fold when he bombs it.

There's just no reason to bet AK. It has a smidge of showdown value against his worse AX, and we have six outs to make TPTK by the river.

If I was V, I'd have a hard time letting go of TT+ here. I'd fold all my un-paired over-cards and under-pairs to the board, and all my draws. I'd probably fold 99-88 without thinking about it too hard.

Your line is funneling him into continuing with a stronger range. A lot of the stuff you're trying to fold out on the turn would have been folded out pre or on the flop. He's showing up on the turn with such a strong range that this jam is just torching more often than not.

Nice, and they say no one bluffs OOP.
Been trying to range this guy, did he not show? Wonder what he called off his stack with?

I can never get behind calling off my stack with AK, but jamming with it is in my playbook. I’m usually doing it when I know I have fold equity

Not sure if you made a bad play and got lucky
or Maybe v made a good play and got unlucky

Your line seems logical, especially with this board and that SPR. I’m prone to check or pot the flop looking for the right now fold. When Hero takes the solver sizing on the flop, v’s call doesn’t necessarily cap his range, IDK what to learn from this?

If I'd to guess it'd be alot of 99/TT and maybe even some weaker pp.

Probably more like TT-QQ. And I'd weight him towards JJ/QQ.

Doubtful he's hero calling with 88 or 22-55. Most of those low-mid PP's are likely to just over-limp pre, or fold to our 3B, or fold flop or turn.

99 only beats 88 and pure bluffs, and might fold to our 3B pre or our flop c-bet. He's probably not hero calling turn with 99.

TT might find a hero fold on the turn.

Hard to put him on JJ/QQ when he's tanking so hard on the turn.
QQ I expect him to snap.
JJ I expect him to tank a bit less.

You're repping over-pairs. He may be 4B'ing AA/KK pre, so QQ/JJ are the top of his range. But if he's not 4B'ing them pre or raising them on the flop, you're putting him in the blender by jamming turn.

It's not a snap decision for him when you take this line. He has to think about whether or not you can do this with AK or worse for value.

It's a weird spot because you have to be over-playing your over-pairs here, or you have to be way OOL pre to have smashed the flop. Neither seems super likely, but it also doesn't seem like a spot where you'd want to run it with AK or total air.

Ultimately he probably decides he can't fold top of range when your line makes no sense.

In general, it's just going to be very difficult to get players off an overpair (which is what he has pretty much always given his large raise preflop and his call of our large 3bet) in an SPR lol 2 pot with no scare cards.

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I probably go smaller on the flop like 20-25% (fold out hands like QJ that can spike a turn card, maybe keep in AQ, give ourselves options for the turn, prevent the overpairs from making a big flop bet).

Is a flop check-raise an option here too?

LOL at calling preflop, calling that a whale play is insulting to cetaceans

i Would go all in