USA Goes to War Against Iran

Yankee fans? The mob? Idk.

When he talked about people moving to Gaza, I assumed he was referring to people living in orthodox Jewish communities in Williamsburg, Crown Heights, Borough Park, etc., some of whom move to Israel and make the dubious decision to become settlers in the West Bank. I almost certainly am more familiar with those neighborhoods than you are.

don't they need leadership to declare war or make "peace"? they got bombed again recently they were all gathered to pick a leader and got slayed. think this was reported jsut a few hours ago. They already gave it their best shot.

Again, what makes you think that Trump green lit this attack because of ideology or morality?

Gotcha. "If I don't steal it then someone else will." Classic. In a weird way idiots are ingenious.

you call it "dubious". I call it illegal and genocidal.

anyway, he was obv making a reference to the viral video that I linked where the fat guy from Brooklyn says "if I don't steal it someone else will" as he moves into a Palestinian house.

I didn't realize he was referring to a video you linked. I rarely click on those those sorts of videos when people post them because they are useless propaganda 99% of the time.

you can try to downplay it but it was an extremely viral video from 2021 and John Oliver even did a segment on it.

settlements are not genocidal, though at least some of them they are certainly illegal.

I have that same understanding, but it must be from news articles because I don't have any first hand knowledge about the law in that area of the world.

every single settlement in the West Bank is illegal per international law. and ever settlement is "genocidal" in the strict sense because the point of them is to remove the indigenous population and replace them with Jews.

I didn't say anything about that specific video. I just said that I hadn't watched it before I responded to Deuces because most of those videos are useless propaganda. I've never watched an entire episode of John Oliver either. I obviously know who he is and I've seen various clips from his show, but I couldn't tell you what time his show airs or what network his show is on.

No country really cares about international law, but I suspect that you are correct on this point.

Everyone's arsenal is finite obviously but iran very likely has enough to do major damage to Israel and US bases if everything can be effectively coordinated and deployed. Its probably going to be a race to degrade launch capability and control and essentially render the arsenol useless so it doesnt become a conversation of they have 3k missiles v our 6k so we win because Israel suffers a major loss if Iran uses everything is has.

It’s not genocidal in the strict sense. It’d be like saying every time there is a skirmish over borders or annexation of territory it is genocide per se, which it isn’t.

As far as whether some of the settlements are legal, I’d say that there are various levels of inconsistency with international law depending on when and how they were established, whether as a result of the 67 war or more recent activity. Obviously the further back and more entrenched they are, the better argument Israel has to keep them in any negotiation.

I guess its not clear to me that Deuces is wielding antisemitic tropes for the sake of being antisemitic as much as I think the current reality sure looks like the administration has been captured by Israeli interests and calling Israeli interests Zionist isn't distinctly antisemitic

And saying "well, Trump doesn't actually care about Israel, he cares about the billion(s) that Miriam Addelson is giving him to care about Israel" isn't particularly compelling

I read his posts as ZOG-posting, which is certainly at least adjacent to antisemitism.

The real ridiculousness that the anti-zionists are trying to sell us is that Kamala would have done the same thing and “it doesn’t matter what party is in power”. Bullcrap. That’s another copout for their wildly immoral false equivalency between Kamala and Trump to excuse their participation in Trump’s victory.

We’re not “occupied by zionists” we’re occupied by neocons who use Israel as an excuse for their own geopolitical machinations.

Thats what I was getting at with my last line.

We can make a philosophical distinction while noting that the outcomes are the same

I get it. You agree that he is wielding tropes, but you don't have an issue with it because you agree that those tropes are accurate, at least as to the current situation.

Right, because no Muslim has ever played the identity politics game. Islamophobia? Never heard of it.

Vic, honey, you can't expect everyone to get an oblique reference to a years-old meme.

LOL. I thought he meant that he had linked the video recently. If anyone is wondering whether I will pick up on references to 25 second videos that went viral in frothy political circles four years ago, I'll save you the suspense. I probably won't.

"frothy circles"

John Oliver did a whole segment on it