USA Goes to War Against Iran

I thought Green Party candidates were supposed to be docile.

At the moment the nature of McGinnis' injury to his arm is unknown. The report that his arm was broken has yet to be substantiated. He fought with security as they tried to remove him from the room.

Another Mostly Peaceful Protest (TM Pending).

addendum: And McGinnis' claim that "no one wants to fight for Israel" is demonstrably false.

Right. And we know that the revenue from those 1.5 million barrels a day is a crucial and significant part of Iran's economy. And they use that revenue to import a crucial and significant amount of goods. They're short on refineries, so they need to import 100K barrels of gasoline a day so they can drive their cars. Or could until they broke down or got a flat, since auto parts and tires also flow to them through the Straight along with 75% of their grains, etc etc etc.

All I've been saying is that I think this ends sooner than later. Later or WW3 isn't really in the cards for me, especially since all Iran needs to do is give up their nuclear program and promise not support proxies, which I'm sure most of the big players in the world want.

But I'm far from 100% on that. There's just too much we don't know. And honestly my biggest concern is we're somehow getting leveled by China, not out maneuvered by Iran.

I thought the USA was considered 'the beast'?

I’d have to watch the video but I imagine what seems like a crazy freak yelling something about dying and Israel would put someone into fight or flight mode. Rather a dishonest framing.

my only point was that the guy was being antisemitic. dont really care about the rest. dont care if some baby killer running for office got his wittle arm broke.

saying straight up that Americans are fighting or dying for Israel is textbook antisemitism bc it implies that Israel is exerting control over the USA. its too bad mets is gone bc I am sure he would back me on this one.

I've never heard that.

Not really since in this case the war is at least partially for Israel’s security and there are being boots put on the ground. It’s actually just a stupid point because there are many more politically salient ways of framing it than “dying for Israel”

Regardless the dishonest framing bit wasn’t directed at you but the tweet. It seemed to frame it as if the guy got his arm broken for what he yelled, which seems dubious.

Of course it is. Note well who posted the video.

Yes the fact that Trump campaigned all the way back in 2016 on attacking Iran made it obvious that he was a neocon in sheep's clothing. Once he made Bolton sec state it was confirmed.

I didn't think what McGinnis said was antisemitic.

Saying 'No one wants to die for Israel' is literally false, but not antisemitic imo.

you are stripping his statement of all context. he is not saying it in a vacuum. nor is he doing a strict logic puzzle. normal human beings interacting in good faith understand that he is referring to this war and to Americans and using idiomatic English. I suspect you understand that but are posting once again in bad faith.

Literally. But if he meant "no American solidier," that's mostly true and not antisemitic unless he is willing to die for some other country.

I strongly believe that if you polled every American service member, the amount of folks who'd be willing to sacrifice their life for Israel would essentially be zero. And it's also a lot easier to fight a war from inside the WH than in the streets.

Why is that? A 4-star general recently testified to Congress that if he is ordered to attack a group of US citizens that the POTUS deems to be a domestic terrorist, he will follow orders if he is confident (by asking his superiors) that they are lawful orders.

That's insane. Literally sounds like he will follow any order without due process so long as he can cover his ass legally. That's where we're at.

Most service members don't want to die for their country either. They want a Dodge Charger and wife in their home town

It's like 33% compared to probably about 0.01%. And that matters a lot when you're actually going to engage in a war and find people to train and to send them into place where that could happen. There is a difference there that matters because those who want the charger and those who would actually risk their life aren't assigned the same job and the govt is going to need a lot of those people to fight a serious war.

its not antisemitic to talk about American soldiers dying for the the USA, Ukraine, Nauru or any country on the planet. except one country.

ive already said I do in the thread. like last page. I said something like "i want boots on the ground because for every American who dies 1000 Iranians will trying to overthrow their government".

Like why wouldn't I want that? I don't value American lives over Persian. IF you were told 1 American life would save 1000 people would you not make that trade? Even from an American that should be an easy morale trade.

No Americans are gonna die anyway you can pretty much sit on your coach and eat cheetos while some drones bomb any future nuclear technology now that their air defenses are gone. A few Americans will die but that's on defense not offense . You guys don't have to have boots on the ground in qatar. IF they were operating from Carriers only you would have zero casualties atm.

Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians are actually dying with 10 million deplaced in a defensive war alot by iranian weapons

No one will "sacrifice their life" but a lot of people like a good gamble. this is a gambling forum afterall. A lot of people will and do put their lives on the line obviously if that becomes a 100% chance of death no one would do it. but its never 100% what a stupid thing to say.

This is why medieval battles no one dies in the actual battle. they all die in the rout while fleeing for their lives. Most male humans are willing to fight its in are dna and its great for the dopamine we are a violent species and have been bashing each other in the head with clubs and shooting each others with arrows for hundreds of thousands of years. But once they realize they will die they stop fighting. No one ever fights knowing they will 100% die so your post makes no sense. The only time that ever happens is like in Stalingrad and to force their soldiers to do that they shot them for retreating. If they know they are gonna die no matter what they do they might go out in a blaze of glory but thats mostly movie theatrics.

The Mongols pretty much took over the world because they wouldn't take prisoners once you resisted them so no one would fight them.

bro is shadowboxing ghosts right now

also what the heck we can't just gloss over this. but judging by the activity in the Russian Ukraine thread no Americans seem to care about the Ukraine war

The US has fought plenty of dumb wars. Morale matters. In Vietnam the govt had issues filling high risk positions in infantry versus secretarial work and when those positions thin out because people are dying, they don't stop fighting or cease to fill those positions because they decide that they don't want to die anymore - they force assignments there. We've seen that with Russia and other countries as well as our own do just that.

I have no idea who the guy was that was yelling about not wanting to die for Israel, but I'd put my money on him understanding a lot more about military operations than Trump.

This is insane footage to make unclassified so soon

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Its of course warmonger propaganda that the war is going well

Weird how this administrations war identifies as a special military operation or whatever ******ation they are trying to say