USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
It did considering the alternative would have been a massive ground invasion that would have resulted in much more death on both sides.
I’m sure it wasn’t an easy decision.
This is debatable though and could probably have its own thread.
One of the issues with Iran is that for the hardcore IRGC I’d imagine there’s no option to surrender since they’ve spent so much time oppressing the population. The second they lose power they will be killed.
It is likely that the IRGC would use nuclear weapons as soon as they had them.
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But also worth reading this article as it shows just how many implications this war will have. I can’t help but feel like we just truly don’t know what Iran’s capacity for resistance is until the war escalates even more (if that is indeed possible, which Trump seems to claim it is).
There’s a reason a direct war with iran was never on the table until the stupidest person to ever be elected to public office became president
Iran has a strong military, not strong enough to win obviously, but certainly FAR more than what Afghanistan and Iraq had during those boondoggles
Of course not even mentioning china and Russia probably being furious about all of this and wanting to punish America for it by proxy or directly
In the end, this is the stupidest unforced error ever executed by a sitting president that will have massive short term costs to Americans and probably massive long term costs to Americans, and all this cuz that dick bitten simp desperately wants to make bibi happy
One of the issues with Iran is that for the hardcore IRGC I’d imagine there’s no option to surrender since they’ve spent so much time oppressing the population. The second they lose power they will be killed.
They are also likely true believers in their cause and experts at asymmetric warfare and recruitment/coalition building. I’m sure the US/Israel would have loved to have stomped out the Houthis, Hamas, and Hezbollah by now but it’s very difficult to defeat them by the traditional means of warfare. Even if you could get agreement from the higher ups, there’s still the matter of the radicalized groups that can always choose to splinter off (and have done in the past).
As for the IRGC, one of the tough lessons of the Iraq war is that removing the loyalists and banning them from power can actually make transitioning even harder. Telling large swaths of young men to find alternate employment other than the military is actually a lot harder than the idealists who just want to punish the authoritarian state collaborators think it would be. So I would caution against any plan that set a hard and fast rule on not allowing former IRGC to participate in the new military/government.
As an American, I’m perfectly fine with the sentiment that no one besides us should have nukes. I’m selfish and the world isn’t fair, sue me.
That might be your preference but has never been official US policy.
There’s a reason a direct war with iran was never on the table until the stupidest person to ever be elected to public office became presidentIran has a strong military, not strong enough to win obviously, but certainly FAR more than what Afghanistan and Iraq had during those boondogglesOf course not even mentioning china and Russia probably being furious about all of this and
I largely agree with how sloppy this war is, but I doubt it’s just because of Israel it’s happening. I am starting to believe the neocons are in control over anything else.
It did considering the alternative would have been a massive ground invasion that would have resulted in much more death on both sides.
I’m sure it wasn’t an easy decision.
This is debatable though and could probably have its own thread.
Yeah I've heard all the excuses given, ad nauseam.
I largely agree with how sloppy this war is, but I doubt it’s just because of Israel it’s happening. I am starting to believe the neocons are in control over anything else.
I think there is a clear distinction between calling this Israel’s doing and Bibi’s doing
I believe this to be Bibi’s doing. And it just so happens that the only president stupid enough to ignore all generals and his joint chief who are telling him ‘ya don’t bomb Iran’ instead chose to do so cuz of vibes
Bibi desperately needs eternal conflict to stay in power and, in effect, alive. And trump is just a ****ing moron
This operation has gone extremely smooth so far. I’m hearing many Iranian soldiers are laying down their arms. They are throwing away their cell phones so their commanders think they are dead. What scares me is I have heard the Israelis are talking about this being their opportunity to build the third temple. From my research it seems likely the Temple Mount rightfully belongs
Israel has held Jerusalem since 1967. Why would the middle of a war where Israel finds itself on the same side as most of the Sunni world against a Shia extremist regime be a good time to provoke the entire Muslims world?
Saying Bibi needs eternal conflict to avoid death is ridiculously hyperbolic lol.
Also is there any proof that generals and military experts were telling Trump not to bomb Iran?
I’ll give you this for free for a week prior to the initial strikes since I already used this and impose on you the burden of proof to prove me wrong
https://www.axios.com/2026/02/23/iran-st...
Yeah I just found the same article and it doesn’t really support your statement.
“Could carry risks” is a far cry from explicitly telling him not to attack. It also states that Caine will support and execute whatever Trump decides on.
Cool
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Saying Bibi needs eternal conflict to avoid death is ridiculously hyperbolic lol.
The weird thing is the same people saying Bibi is doing this to stay alive also point out that he planned this all 30 years ago.
I would say Bibi has always had a general plan for how Israel would survive, thrive and eventually make peace; that is basically keep killing people in power in the Arab/Muslim world who refuse to make peace until ones that do take their place. But this is no more than a general plan, and the specifics have fluctuated with time and circumstance.
And this plan has largely worked as well as one would expect; and certainly better than trying to appease the people who are dedicated to destroying Israel.
As I have said before, I am not opposed to the idea of Israel pursuing a different kind of strategy. But I think the rest of the world has done a horrible job incentivizing Israel to do so. Facilitating theocratic regimes and their allies to surround, threaten and attack Israel is not going to win very many hearts and minds in Israel leadership.
That being said I certainly see why the rest of the civilized world has generally chosen this path. First, to ensure access to much needed natural resources under control of said theocrats, or allies of said theocrats. And more recently, following mass immigration and ethnic replacement throughout Europe, and to a much lesser extent the US, to appease their large Muslim populations who tend to vote as ethnic blocs motivated by Old World ethnic grievances.
Very unfortunate conflagration of poor incentive structures for everyone.
I think there is a clear distinction between calling this Israel’s doing and Bibi’s doingI believe this to be Bibi’s doing. And it just so happens that the only president stupid enough to ignore all generals and his joint chief who are telling him ‘ya don’t bomb Iran’ instead chose to do so cuz of vibesBibi desperately needs eternal conflict to stay in power and, in effect, ali
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The weird thing is the same people saying Bibi is doing this to stay alive also point out that he planned this all 30 years ago. I would say Bibi has always had a general plan for how Israel would survive, thrive and eventually make peace; that is basically keep killing people in power in the Arab/Muslim world who refuse to make peace until ones that do take their place. But
It’s even worse than that when you consider all the capital flowing into Israel from multinational organizations. It’s clear that there are tangible incentives and benefits to propping up Israel and investing there if you’re interested in the advancement of science and technology. However, many people are too ignorant to support their own interests.
A lot has changed since then. Hamas and Hezbollah have been neutered. Iran has been severely weakened. This is the time to strike. Also, this is the time to weaken the Chinese economy. When Iran loses, China loses. It’s way more complex than this but you get the idea.
Israel has held Jerusalem since 1967. Why would the middle of a war where Israel finds itself on the same side as most of the Sunni world against a Shia extremist regime be a good time to provoke the entire Muslims world?
I don’t expect this to happen until the Iranian regime is toppled. Radical Israelis have been looking for the right moment to move forward with the third temple. They see the toppling of Iran as God’s doing. They feel like the prophesies are coming true.
I fear that there are a lot of radical Israelis ready to make a move. Obviously right now would be a horrible time for them to storm the Temple Mount. It’s gonna happen though fairly soon. I think the Israeli government will not allow this in the short term. They need tourism to come back. Who knows when anybody will be able to safely visit Israel again. It could be several months.
https://www.axios.com/2026/02/23/iran-st...
Yeah I just found the same article and it doesn’t really support your statement.
“Could carry risks” is a far cry from explicitly telling him not to attack. It also states that Caine will support and execute whatever Trump decides on.
Even "will carry risks" is a far cry from explicitly telling Trump not to attack. Weighing risks and benefits is a part of almost all important decisions.
SRM obviously isn't well, so we should 'play nice' until he feels better. (Which should be sometime in late January 2029.)
https://www.axios.com/2026/02/23/iran-st...
Yeah I just found the same article and it doesn’t really support your statement.
“Could carry risks” is a far cry from explicitly telling him not to attack. It also states that Caine will support and execute whatever Trump decides on.
Lol. This is hilarious from the dude that said I don't live in reality.
The reality is Caine is not going to directly say no. He has no integrity. Dude's career was done and Trump appointed him to 4-star general and to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff out of nowhere.
Another DEI hire by Trump that knows his job is to lick his boots. He'd, I dunno, bomb a grade school of girls for Trump rather than get fired, so of course he's not going to say no to him.
