an unfortunate situation (for villain)

dealer handled it badly. "table demanded to see his hand"? tough ****, dealer steps in and says NO.

From your post I have no idea why the player showed or who made him do it, but it shouldn't have been forced.

You announced what you thought you saw. whether or not you're right, everyone is on equal footing now, play on as normal. Floor can talk to villain after the hand about protecting his hand, and if he continues to expose it he can be asked to leave.

Right. When I said "Ace of clubs" dude was like you can't call my hand! And then a few folks at once (some who were not in the hand) started saying show one show all and just as the dealer was saying action on you sir the fella turned his cards over... By me saying it was comical folks started laughing because he didn't need to do that ... But he did.

Anyway my bad yes the floor was called and ruled that the hand was live... He raised and everyone folded including me, and while folks expected me to call I folded my Kd9s face up. That's what I would have done had I not seen his hand anyway. And that calmed the situation a little bit.

After the hand the floor did say that if it were a place like the WSOP Wynn or Aria we would be asked to sit out a round or two with penalties (him showing his hand and me calling it out influencing action and possibly taunting for the comical banter that ensued). I thought that was interesting because I was just trying to protect the integrity of the game by letting people know what I knew but apparently I am supposed to keep that to myself and use it to my advantage? That's ****ed up imo.

FWIW ... In the future yes I will just inform the floor myself when someone on my immediate left or right can't cover their cards.

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dinesh has this right. A bit nitpicky, but you should only say you saw for sure. In this case, you should have said you saw a black ace, not try to guess the suit.

The only thing you did "wrong" was guess the suit. Other than that, floor is way off base.

lmfao get the floor on these forums, I want a word.

This is exactly why I stopped speaking up in these situations. I'll give someone a couple of warnings when he's not involved in a hand, then stay quiet. Some people just can't handle their mistakes being pointed out. They will not change, and will not appreciate you saying anything. Pointing it out during a hand might be the fair thing to do, but it usually just winds up making things worse.

He MIGHT get a penalty if he did that during a major tournament series, but often it would just be a warning for shooting himself in the foot like that.

Floor and Google are wrong. You should def tell dealer or ask for floor and let them know you saw his card. Then let house tell you how to proceed as there are different procedures.

If a floor told me I should keep quiet and use the info. I am minimum talking to mgr and if he agrees I find elsewhere to play. That position encourages all kinds of wron bad behavior.

You did exactly the right thing.

When I see a card that has flipped a little or for whatever reason when the dealer is dealing it I will say I saw the card and I will often be asked what it was. If the dealer can flip it over they will.

There are times when it is impossible to get it turned over. Or it could be your situation where I see a card or cards that another player is looking at. In these cases I do exactly what you did. I say I saw a card or cards. The only time I don't is if I am not in the hand (or I am going to fold) and I know no other person in the hand could have seen it. Then I say nothing.

I have never seen anything happen like what happened to you. First of all the guy should never have shown both cards. In general he shouldn't have to show any of his cards. Its just what you think you saw that is important.

If I am not in a hand or if I am going to fold anyway, I typically wait until after the hand and then I tell the player that the way he is looking at his cards makes them seeable by players next to him. One time the guy told me to stop looking at his cards and I said I don't look at his cards or even in his direction when he is looking at them but that the player on the other side of him might look at them. In these cases I just keep saying that I saw the cards (when I do) when I am still in the hand. It happens so rarely that I guess Floors and Dealers sometimes may not know exactly how to handle it.

The other option is to get the Floor to come over and tell him that the player next to me is looking at his cards in a way that make them visible to me and possibly other players. Then they can deal with it as they see fit.

While I understand the 'just have hero say what he saw' procedure. There is a problem, though I won't say I know the solution. You depending on the player being honest about what he saw or thought he saw.I don't like rulings that depend on a player being honest and fair.

What about when a card flashes and player says he saw it. Does the holder get to keep it if that player can't correctly identify it? Not where I have played. If card flashes, it gets replaced and exposed.

Still not a perfect solution as it can be abused as well. Player could start claiming to see the card every time and then make up what says he saw vs. what he really did see. It is one of those tough calls and is the reason the person not protecting their hand needs to be asked to leave if frequently happening.

Even honest players will get tired of repeatedly having to stop the game over and over. But like I said, I don't know of a better solution.

Nine times out of ten just telling someone once that they're doing something that is revealing their cards will get them to stop, but what do you do if they don't care and keep revealing them? I've even seen the floor called over this, and all they did was warn the guy again.

I once had a situation where a guy in the three seat kept lifting his cards like two feet off the felt so that I was seeing them from the eight seat on the total opposite side of the table. I spoke up twice and politely told him that I could see his cards when he lifted his hands up like that.

Anyway the third time I was in the big blind and he does it again, revealing a black ace right as he raised. So I saw one of his cards after warning him twice.

It folded around to me in the big blind, and I didn't know what to do. I thought about speaking up again, but was concerned the guy would flip out if he had pocket aces or something (he clearly wasn't in his right mind, repeatedly revealing his cards to the whole table like that even after being warned).

So I look down at my hand and I've got suited connectors. I hesitated and almost folded, because it sort of felt like the right thing to do after I saw one of his cards.

Then I thought more about it. I thought no, this hand is a standard defend (it was a tournament and the raise was small). I thought I'm not going to just concede my equity because this guy can't help flashing his cards to the whole table. I already told him twice.

So I called, which is what I would have done if I didn't see a card. The flop gave me middle pair, but there was also an ace. I ended up check folding to his bet in a spot I always would have called if I hadn't seen his ace.

Was that a scummy thing to do on my part? You could certainly argue that it was, but at what point does it become his responsibility? Now if there had been a third player in the hand I definitely would have spoken up a third time, because then it's affecting a third party, but if he wants to keep showing me his cards what am I supposed to do?

As an anecdote he was eliminated from the tournament a short time later, and I'm pretty sure the guy that eliminated him probably saw his cards in that hand too.