AsJs oop in 3 bet pot.
1/3 8 handed nl.
The CO has been active pre with raises. He is 30 ish. No specific reads.
He sees me as nitty.
We both have 400.
Ep limps, folded to CO who raises to 12, button calls, folded to me in the BB. I have AsJs. I raise to 70, it’s folded to CO who calls, button folds.
154 in pot.
2s6s6c…I check, he checks. I wasn’t sure what to do. I felt like he would call a lot of his range to a c bet. I have a feeling I’m still supposed to bet.
2s6s6c3h….I don’t know what to do.
Just check to him again on the turn. Let him stab at it if he wants. We can decide if we want to fold, call, or raise based on his bet size. If he doesn't bet we get to realize for free.
Check/raise all-in on the flop
I would have preferred if you had bet small on the flop, then jammed turn. That line works well with the stack to pot ratio of 2ish.
As played I would just check again. Players at these stakes tend to give you less credit for a delayed c-bet after you "showed weakness" by checking flop. Also on the flop your hand had enough equity to call a raise if he went all-in, but on the turn after bricking it's marginal.
So check and realize your equity. Your response if he bets will depend on the sizing.
Personally, I don’t do much raising from the BB, I just defend. Why bloat the pot with terrible position?
As played, that’s a big pre-flop raise that villain called showing a lot of strength. Takes a better hand to call, than to bet.
I am done with the aggression unless I hit. Just because he doesn’t bet, doesn’t mean he won’t call and you have ace high.
Check the turn, if he checks again - might fire the river whether we hit or not - he could be ready to fold now.
If he bets the turn, you’ll have to decide if you still have the odds to continue. We really need fold equity with flush draws. We get excited flopping a flush draw that misses 65% of the time. By the turn, we miss the flush 80% of the time.
When I play this semi-bluff (flush draw), I want to get the money in on the flop where I have the most outs. Betting so big pre, destroyed this option, because villain’s call indicates a made hand and we can’t determine our fold equity.
You played too aggressively OOP with a marginal hand. If you bet now, you will not fold better hands. Try to get to showdown cheaply and hope you hit.
Flat call preflop may be better at 1/3. You got a good flop. Bet the flop and shove the turn. Represent a big pair.
Bet 100 OTF, shove turn. This is a 3bet pot and we’re OOP. Winning it right now OTF is a great result. If he calls we have a chunky 230 left to shove into 354 and we have decent equity when called by like TT-99 (most likely hands to call).
Never checking this flop. Now we have to check the turn and it’s just a dumb spot cuz we’re basically giving up. If he shoves flop after a bet we have an easy call. If he snaps off turn with a pair then GL. Basically we have to see him
At the river with this SPR.
It may not be playable to some bet sizes, but check/jam the turn seems like a good play as played.
They guy called a $70 3bet pre-flop from a player he thinks is nitty. Not sure why you would raise so much if you weren't trying to rep AA/KK? Would you bet the flop with those hands? If so, bet.
As played, delayed c-bet is fine if you are prepared to follow through on most rivers. Check/raise should work, but if it checks through, you have to give up on most rivers -- he's very unlikely to fold a better hand to a bet.
How sticky is this guy vs. you?
I get myself in trouble by over aggressing oop. I think just call pre makes sense.
Call pre is fine. However, you got the perfect flop and underaggressed postflop. If you had AhJh, you might bet/fold the flop and shove most turns with much less equity. You could also check or bet/fold and give up with close to air.
You were 49% against TT on the flop and 32% on the turn. If you bet and get raised on the flop, you can easily gii. This is a really easy semibluff. When you 3! preflop light, you have to continue to represent a big pair postflop in most situations.
Also worth mentioning that taking an aggressive line (bet flop/shove turn) has the benefit of folding out a better hand AND potentially getting called by worse. AK and AQ are folding while KQss is continuing (OTF anyways). I’m struggling to see any reason to check flop unless you are certain a bet is coming.
Some pps may call the flop and fold the turn as 68% favorites. A lot of people's 3! ranges at 1/3 are just KK+. They don't know you don't have JJ+.
If I had AK with a bdfd, it would be about 27% against TT on the flop and 14% on the turn. Then I would probably play it the same way, cbet the flop and shove the turn, except I might have to fold to a flop raise. Would often play JJ+ the same way. Then villain could have the flush draw, and you wouldn't want to let him draw cheaply.
If you don't know what to do on this flop, maybe you should only 3! KK+ or whatever. You usually want to represent a big pair postflop. Sometimes, you could cbet and give up if called or check and maybe make a play depending on what villain does. Sometimes with the board and your hand, it is just a give up. However, a lot of low stakes players want to see a flop and will call the 3!, but fold the flop or turn.
You flopped a strong draw. If you cbet and get raised, you can gii, knowing you are even against a pair (technically 2 pair) and it is hard for him to have more than that. He can also have a worse flush draw, which you crush.
Aside from that though, this is an excellent flop for you range. It is great for JJ+ and AK is often ahead on it or at least has decent equity. So I would cbet this flop with close to range. Depending on your hand and the turn card, you can shove the turn some of the time.
If you had AK and the flop came T98, that might just be a x/f after 3-betting. That is a bad flop for your range. A low choppy flop like this or a dry A or K high flop is good for your range.
id just call pre. i used to 3b this but it just gets me in trouble when deep. if you're shallow then 3b is fine if your plan is to jam flops liberally.
flop check is fine but if you check its to CR.
as played check again, probably call any reasonable sized bet.
Checking the flop is bad because this board is going to be checked back a lot. Also bet/gii, and shove turn if called, works fine.
Checking the turn to reevaluate is fine, but I would usually check/shove. You have decent equity if called. If he shoves or close, you might have to fold. That sizing could sometimes be a draw you have crushed, but you may not have the equity to call a push.
Played fine so far. Flop check is fine, you have a decent range advantage and you're going to expect a protection bet a fair bit from weak overpairs (or stabs with air) which you can pressurise with a CR.
3 on the turn changes little (OK very occasional boat or straight), what are you doing with a big pair now? Feels like a CR could still be in order, you could also call to small sizing
I could see us going this large to a loose open with some calls and especially smaller stacks with this hand, but with no real dead money and larger stacks this risk versus reward seems a little meh at this massive 3B sizing. I mean, it's not *that* far off from shoving to see where we're at. If EP is someone we'd like to play with I actually wouldn't hate a flat, which will also force MP to play a little more honestly postflop.
SPR is 2 and we've flopped well as we should have decent equity against even big pairs. I think overall I would just open shove to flex our FE. Some decent pairs could find a fold some of the time and AK/AQ/AJ pretty much always fold.
Other options would be to bet small to setup a sizeable shove for the turn, but that has the drawback of perhaps inducing him to shove the flop with some of these pairs that we want to fold. Another option would be to check/shove, but this makes it less likely we'll be able to steal the pot on a check thru, plus he may feel committed if he bets the flop large.
ETA: As played I'm guessing it is a give up at this point as our FE plummets once we check the flop (although I guess a bet could target AK/AQ/AJ).
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