The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched

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22 July 2008 at 04:53 AM
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by GGruinedPOKER

I now have 7 zip files , I put them all in an empty map.

How do i proceed next ?

I already explained this
Make them one file
Upload them on a high-capacity online storage site
Then you get a link where others can download the file
Post that link here and I (and others) can check the hands.

But once again, how are you able to figure out how to play winning online poker (with an active rng working against you nonetheless) but cant figure out any of this and not even put the effort of a google search in.
Especially with a screenname like GGruinedPoker, it obviously runs deep, you would have expected some action on your behalf. Yet you decide to rely completely on others.


Slugant and GGruinedPOKER argue about cheese:


Except I know my cheese 🙂



Flatted pre cause I know its the aces setup
Bb popped it.

Look at the cards. 3 aces 2 Queens 2 jacks
Similair to hand I shared earlier.
Its like that because otherwise the scam gets complicated.

Slugant , can u dm me an e-mail , I can send hands to ?


Wow 1 more hand, and how did you figure out how to screenshot that? Did it all by yourself?
Weird though that you knew about the aces setup so you decided to flat pre, yet still get all your chips in. If I knew an "aces setup" was about to happen I just fold my hand and would never go all-in, just doesnt make any sense.

You can send me a private message here with a link to all the downloadable raw hands. No need to exchange e-mails adresses.

Cool screenname btw, blufandrebuy, and looking at your flag you can even talk Dutch to me if that makes things easier for you 😉






4 turn cards


Stop posting senseless loose screenshots
Still havent received the hands


I see we already entered the "he will whine like a little bitch" part of my prediction.

Ah, rigturds, always predictable, never original.


What GGruinedPoker should do is include those hands in the enormous batch of hands he will send me to analayze, instead of screenshotting 5 hands to post here

We see 5 bad turn cards in those screenshots, does that mean the "bad turn program" is active?
We also see him have big pairs almost always in those screenshots, does that mean the "give Blufandrebuy big hands" is active?
Its just all so selective
And the worst thing is he turns out to be Dutch. What a disappointment for my country.

Oh... and still no PM


PM sent Thanks For ur help


Bad runs like that can really make you question everything. Even when the odds are heavily in your favor, poker can produce some brutal stretches.

Sometimes taking a short break helps reset the mindset a bit.

Also saw the Big Adventures tournament is finishing soon. They’ll draw the final winner live and the prize is a Maldives trip from the Top 100 players.


by GGruinedPOKER

4 turn cards

I have a die that I think is loaded to land on 6 more often than it should. I rolled it a bunch of times (but I won't tell you exactly how many).

Here's one of the rolls:

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Here's another:

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And yet another:

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Oh, and one more:

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That's 4 times the die landed on 6! Very strong evidence that the die is in fact loaded.


by GGruinedPOKER

PM sent Thanks For ur help

You cant even post a link correctly


When clicked on that link (which you could probably tell is a bit off) I get this
https://we%2A%2A%2A%2A/t-e9VUxN7wSK
Does this look like a correct address to you?

Honestly, wtf are you doing.
Just copy paste the url.

Also, are you absolutely sure you are of legal age to play poker?


100% of his posts are in this thread. He is most likely just another trolling moron. Maybe stop wasting your time, especially considering the high possibility of him completely rejecting your analysis of his hands.


Well, I am interested to see what set of hands qualify for someone to say its rigged 100%
Then again, I agree he is most likely a troll or sore loser.
And if he truly believed what he says I am sure he would acted a lot different.

So lets give him one more try to actually send a correct link, it shouldnt be that hard for someone who did figure out how to beat poker with an RNG running against him.


by Slugant

You cant even post a link correctlyWhen clicked on that link (which you could probably tell is a bit off) I get thishttps://we%2A%2A%2A%2A/t-e9VUxN7wSKDoes this look like a correct address to you?Honestly, wtf are you doing.Just copy paste the url.Also, are you absolutely sure you are of legal age to play poker?

When you send a PM on TwoPlusTwo, the auto-censor will kick in if it spots a censored word within a word. Like this: Big****moron.

Unless he checked it with Preview, (yeah, like he would!), he wouldn't know that was how it would reach you. He'll have to spell out the word in coded bits, like FgEfCdKl or however you agree to do it between yourselves.


I assume somewhere in there is the extension domain like .com or .net
What a series of unfortunate events that together with the site-name that makes up a dirty word
Or perhaps its not unfortunate at all, its GG officials trying to cover this mess up!


I thought they took you out and deleted the files

Ive sent a pm again


I have literally zero personal impact to this thread yet its still causing me to lose will to live. Slugant must have the patience of a saint!


by BobTheSlob

Awww, grandpa is sad that poker evolved and left him behind....

So we have one of main core who is willing to admit hes indeed not a fan of Poker, but is a fan of version that is much, much faster and involves 'exciting variance'.

I thank you for you confession. you will of course, deny this.

Its exactly the same as claiming you are a big fan of football.... but dont actually want to bother watching 90mins and just want to a see winner via penalties.... which is more of a lottery, takes away much of the skill level and is over very quickly.

Bob is also a fan of the put down phrase 'rigturd'.... which puts his PC levels around the 'grandpa' level of not understanding why this name derived from '******' may by offensive.

But hey, The Moderator doesnt worry bout stuff like that does he.

A worrying bunch of people which poker could do without.


by TeddyD

I have literally zero personal impact to this thread yet its still causing me to lose will to live. Slugant must have the patience of a saint!

Patience is a good skill to have in online poker 😉

by TheWaddy

Its exactly the same as claiming you are a big fan of football.... but dont actually want to bother watching 90mins

Its almost like claiming poker is rigged, but dont actually bother to show any evidence of it huh

by TheWaddy

Slugant said;But normal cash games & tournaments still make up for the vast majority of volume on any major site and its not even close. I think this statement shows how detached you are from what sites are doing as a business and what their priorities are. Take Ipoker sites. I can be registered from 9am to 2pm on virtually ANY day, at a £5 heads up sit and go table and get zer

So you even quoted me saying "cash games & tournaments" (although your quoting skills are quite sub-par) and your counter argument is that HU SNG's dont run well on iPoker.
Do you even read a tiny bit before you type anything? In case you missed it again. I said cash games & tournaments, I didnt say Heads up SNG's. Duhhhhh
Even at your micros there are more tournaments and cash game players than anything other and they in fact do make up the vast majority of volume on major sites.
If you think this is untrue im sure you cant wait to post any evidence of this.


by TeddyD

I have literally zero personal impact to this thread yet its still causing me to lose will to live. Slugant must have the patience of a saint!

Because of people like u i almost understand why they would rig it . And definitely why they easily can get away with it.

U prob still believe in Covid too


by GGruinedPOKER

Because of people like u i almost understand why they would rig it . And definitely why they easily can get away with it.

U prob still believe in Covid too

Lol, yep totally normal comment you make here. And erm..assumption about an unrelated topic whatsoever. Yep, anyway...i hear poker is rigged. the bastards! I hear Negreanu is sitting behind his computer with trump as we speak laughing at 25nl players as they rig it all.
Anyhoo im in UK so good night sir, have fun.


by TheWaddy

So we have one of main core who is willing to admit hes indeed not a fan of Poker, but is a fan of version that is much, much faster and involves 'exciting variance'.I thank you for you confession. you will of course, deny this.Its exactly the same as claiming you are a big fan of football.... but dont actually want to bother watching 90mins and just want to a see winner via pe

Awww, Grandpa Rigturd is rambling incoherently again. Did you lose a 5 pound tournament? Poor baby.


by Johnmir

Mike, I invested so much energy into this topic... Hope I gave players enough "ideas" to think about, how it works and is the game fair May be some day, I will come back to check, for example, PokerPlanet (it's a "child" of Pokerstars for Russian players). Would be interesting to perform this kind of stream for this room. Time to concentrate on my critical problems... Getting b

Bro the game isnt rigged. Does it sometimes give you a weird feeling when you realise that on almost every topic you have a very different opinion from your peers.

Does that every make you stop and wonder wait maybe I am just a contrarian. Maybe I am sometimes wrong or do you just believe that everyone else is always wrong?

by TheWaddy

So we have one of main core who is willing to admit hes indeed not a fan of Poker, but is a fan of version that is much, much faster and involves 'exciting variance'.I thank you for you confession. you will of course, deny this.Its exactly the same as claiming you are a big fan of football.... but dont actually want to bother watching 90mins and just want to a see winner via pe

its nothing like that at all.

Its more like you dont get it. Actually its not like that thats exactly what is going on. you just dont get it.

The more adequate comparison would be that you just dont understand modern soccer like its played by Messi and these guys and insist that the way Beckenbauer and Pelé played is the only possible successful way.

You try to emulate this extremely outdated style most likely badly and get your ass handed to you by people that are not simply ignoring modern theory and its application.

by TheWaddy

Slugant said;But normal cash games & tournaments still make up for the vast majority of volume on any major site and its not even close. I think this statement shows how detached you are from what sites are doing as a business and what their priorities are. Take Ipoker sites. I can be registered from 9am to 2pm on virtually ANY day, at a £5 heads up sit and go table and get zer

Yeah cash games and Tournaments are where most of the volume is. I would argue all of it as sit and goes are tournaments on demand but that is just semantics.

Husng dried up partially because of spi and go that much is true.

But people had it coming. Heads up is a format in which the better player takes the money from the weaker one very fast.

So there was just too big of a polulation of grinders that skinned the fuish too fast.

Fish like to play games they win every now and then in. If i would play you in husng you would cry uncle and rigged after just a handful or games as my edge would be quite big and the experience would just not be a great one for you. The slower the format the more outclassed you would feel and teh more boring it would feel to you.

Thats why poker sites have been pushing towards low edge fast game types. Its more variance and gives the recreational player a better shot at getting lucky and having aw inning moment.

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