Suited connectors from the button.
1/3 8 handed. Effective 400
Scenario one) UTG opens to 12 , folded to us on the button. Assume UTG is an average reg. He has a reasonable non nitty opening range. The blinds are average regs as well. We have a tight image. What are you doing with these?
56s
89s
QJs
Scenario two) UTG raises to 15, there are two calls. We are on the button. What are you doing with these?
34s
78s
9Ts
KQs
Scenario 3) UTG raises to 20, there are 3 calls, we are on the button. What are you doing with these?
34s
78s
JTs
KQs
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I'm probably flatting suited connectors T9+ and folding everything else in all the scenarios you described.
$400 is just too short to be playing speculative hands and/or bluffing post flop.
Can't get aggro with these hands until we're ~$500-$600 deep at 1/3
One of the biggest factors with deciding how often (and in what way) you continue here will be what you think your relative skill level is versus your opponents in this game.
It sounds like maybe you're a little noobish coming from Limit and maybe just starting out in NL, is that correct?
If so, there is probably little little harm in folding every single one of these cases.
Otherwise, it depends on how well you think you can play.
I personally am not an expert and simply attempt to play well within myself, so I'd probably lean to:
Flat QJs versus the $12 and flat KQs in the other cases (perhaps 3betting the latter against someone I think has far too wide a UTG raising range). And I'd just make a nitty fold of the other ones and move on. I mean, I have thousands of hours of experience in 1/3 NL and aren't a noob, but I'm just not convinced I have the skillz to make these other hands profitable for me by continuing.
An expert player, especially one very comfortable playing 3bet pots with non-premiums, could likely continue with most of those hands.
So, I'd start slow, and then slowly widen your range (if you want) as you get your feet underneath you / feel comfortable doing so.
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1: 3b, fold, call
2: 3bx4
3: fold, fold, call, call
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scenario 1: QJs is a call and 65s. 98s can get us in trouble more so than QJ or 65
scenario 2: we now have to beat 3 players and give better odds to blinds so i would likely sqz KQs fold rest
scenario 3: sqz KQs fold rest
I could never do this as meta-game is a major factor. Whatβs villains style, what about the players left to act - I simply canβt give you blanket advice on a bunch of marginals.
With nits I can push around, I might play all of these hands. A couple tricky players to the left and I might fold all of these hands.
I would suggest that youβre not looking for more ways to get involved, but rather picking spots where you have an advantage. Thereβs no getting around the boredom of folding, but jumping in weak just gives you more chances to make mistakes.
wtf does this mean?
This isn't online, most "average" regs are trash and "limping is pimping" like 20-30% but raising a tight range which crushes KQs/JTs.
Sure you can call 87s like all the rest of the "average" regs. and it's probably fine HU if you play well post, but it's mostly a terrible game of bingo multiway because the other randos will have dominating trash. Just play pai gow instead.
Or you can bluff 3bet KQs/JTs/whatever, but we're putting in huge amounts of BBs with non-nutted hands and have to snap fold to 4bets and it's 50/50 if we want to hit something or have it be 8 high. Mostly we are doing it to improve our winrate when we have something actually good.
Or you can just call along and maybe ability/position outweighs your capped range and the fact your KQs has kicker problems vs. UTG when he starts betting.
Most of the above is going to be pretty close vs. just folding though, after rake and without reads, plus you aren't that deep.
LOL, change tables.
Drunk Thursday night no reads w/e I guess I'll respond anyway:
S1: call, call, call ... because position HU is worth a decent amount.
S2: fold, fold, mix call/fold, sigh mix call/3bet ... but you are going to have to bluff, pot control and check/lose correctly.
S3: fold, fold, call but it's probably bad, mix call/3bet ... dito. S2 but more so.
Only hours ago I saw one "average reg" call 87s vs. another "average reg" open with KK, and then the KK spew bet huge on 865r and then sigh called it off praying to win ... both of them could have just fold pre. and taken a $10 bill out and set fire to it for the same long term result.
tl;dr People want "GTO but for live ranges" and I understand why, but it just doesn't work like that. They aren't trapped at the table with you, you are trapped at the table with them and the long run is very long ... plus more often than you'd think one of the blinds wakes up with "a monster" and you just torched like 2% of your stack.
In mathematical terms, the average reg isn't beating the rake. In other words, they're less than break-even, i.e., they're losing players.
Rather than assuming anything about anyone's range when they open for whatever size from whatever position, I'm just looking at how my opponents play, figuring out their leaks and how to exploit them, and then getting into as many pots as I can with them.
The cards don't matter much if you don't know who's over-bluffing and who's under-bluffing, if you don't know who over-folds and who under-folds, who range-bets the flop but will be one-and-done on the turn, and who barrels off for three streets, who has sizing tells and who doesn't, who's capable of betting thin and who doesn't raise the nuts, etc, etc, etc.
Worry less about what cards your dealt and how to play them, and focus more on spotting your opponents' leaks so you can exploit their pants off.