Gun control

Just to be clear, you think the person trying to give the same protections to people murdered in parks and the street as people murdered in schools is racist?

Yes, I made this simple cheat sheet below to help you out:

Adults can be found in: schools, parks and the street
kids can be found in: schools, parks and the street
gang members can be found in: schools, parks and the street
non gang members can be found in: schools, parks and the street

bonus: Non gang members are more like to kill non gang members and gang members are more likely to kill other gang members.

As I said earlier ITT if you want thought provoking content read thinman's posts:

Whatthejish, in all seriousness, isn't it fascinating that someone trying to protect murder victims that are statistically more likely to be black is being called racist against blacks?

So you think you're "trying to protect murder victims" by pointing out / asking why parents of gang shooters are less likely to be prosecuted than school shooters?

As far as I can tell, you haven't suggested any policy recommendations. I guess you're now implying that you were saying they should be just as likely to be prosecuted? But I certainly didn't think you were before this last post, and I imagine no one else likely did either, so no one called you racist because you were trying to protect any murder victims.

I asked you why you think your point was important. You specifically quoted my question, but didn't answer it at all. You just said you found the pattern odd (in bad faith, I'm sure) and then you asked more questions.

I agree with LOL that you seem to be implying that parents of black gang members are not being prosecuted because blacks are treated so much better by the American legal system, which is laughable. Again, if you had a different point, maybe you could let us know specifically what it is.

If it makes you feel any better, I think that parents of gang member who murder innocent bystanders should also be prosecuted. If it is just other gang members who are killed, then I don't want them to be prosecuted, because, as noted earlier, I'm all for that kind of murder.

What would classify someone as a gang member to warrant people the legal right murder them?

What are the other groups of people that fall.into this basket?

No. I'm calling a racist a racist. We wouldn't be discussing race if your only concern was protections to people murdered in parks and streets as that encompasses all races, but you felt the need to preface that concern by singling out a specific group.

Got it? No, of course you don't.

lol at EVER engaging with that dipshit on ANY topic

So because I never directly said we should prosecute murderous gang members parents just as much as school shooters parents because a) the gang parents tend to be black more often or b) their victims tend to black more often you jumped to the conclusion it had to be A?

No matter if you thought I was thinking A or B you must admit prosecuting the gang members parents would reduce the black murder victim rate if you assume prosecuting school shooter parents may scare a few more parents into locking their guns up and watching for red flags from their kids.

I think if we start prosecuting parents of kids who murder their should be actual laws that say if you miss certain red flag then you can be prosecuted. It shouldn’t matter if the kids are killing students, teachers, gang members or hot dog vendors.

I was not trying to imply that US legal system takes it easier on black people. If anything I am suggesting the system isn’t doing enough to reduce black victim murders - and look at this thread as it is no different here. People itt think it is racist to try to reduce the number of black murder victims.

it's almost as-if we have a long history of your "I never directly" bullshit and everyone knows you are a piece of ****

go figure...

I don't know what you mean by classifying someone. But I obviously wasn't talking about passing a law regarding who should be prosecuted for murder, just what my judgement would be if I were making the decisions.

I didn't just to any conclusion; I didn't think you were doing A or B. I'm still not sure if you are actually saying that, as you are still being obtuse and haven't said if you think they should be prosecuted equally, and if so, why that is. As LOL pointed out, most people think it's worse for someone to go into a school and shoot a lot of children than for a gang member shooting members of an opposing gang (who, while they still may legally be minors, are very unlikely to be young children). Even if you don't think one is worse than the other, I'm sure you weren't surprised to hear it said that many people do.

No one has said it is racist to try to reduce the number of black murder victims, as that hadn't been suggested by anyone, not even you. It seemed to be that you were bringing up the entire issue sarcastically, just to point out that the American legal system seems to care about white victims more than black ones.

Just for the record, are you for or against a law that would require gun owners to secure their firearms to a govt defined minimum standard? If their gun is then used in a crime by another person and it can be proven the gun was not secured properly that the gun owner could also face charges?

From the post you were responding to: I think even you can understand that between A & B one of those would disproportionately hurt black people and one would help black people. Since nobody asked why I support a position and I didn't go into unneeded detail you auto-assume it was for a racist reason.

I think this idea is very similar to BLM and Dem idea of trying to defund the police. Some wanted to defund the police because they didn't want to see as many black people arrested (stupid but not necessarily racist) and others wanted to defund the police because they knew it was bad for the black community (stupid and racist). So unless someone says they support defunding the police or going after child murderers parents (no matter who they kill) for a particular reason assuming it is because they are racist is incredible stupid.

I believe we should prosecute ALL parents of child murderers if they missed obvious red flags no matter who they killed or we should prosecute NONE of the parents. In other words suggesting we should only prosecute the parents if they kids killed in a classroom is beyond stupid. What if the little murderer waited until his victims walked 2 steps out of the school? What if he waited until they were off school property? What if his victims were on a school sanctioned field trip? All of these are nonsense - murder is murder.

Forget for a moment about the legal system. It is fairly obvious thinman and other ITT cares more about white victims than black victims that is why he is outraged at the idea of punishing parents no matter who they kill.

Yes, as long as the bar is set low for "govt defined minimum standard". If you leave it on the floor and you have kids running around you should be punished. However, we shouldn't punish the victim of theft as it isn't reasonable to assume someone is going to break into your home, steal your gun and then use it in a crime as home burglaries aren't that common in the US.

Maybe if you led with that, everyone wouldn’t just be calling you a racist ****head. But since you are a racist POS, you led with the gang member theory.

LOL at thinking people ITT weren't going to auto-assume someone who has posted right leaning posts isn't racist. If someone leans right and they talk about anything that impacts one race more than another it is going to be considered racist by some of the slower posters of 2+2 - that is a hard and fast rule with very few exceptions.

My idea would be better long-term for the black community and in the short term it will hurt around the same amount of black people that it helps yet some ITT think it is racist towards black people. The amount of kool-aid you have to drink to think this is racist brings fears of drowning.

That is another bad take. I was commenting that I was against holding the parents responsible for the Georgia school shooting and chillrob argued for sanctioning sanctioning gang violence, yet no one resorted to calling us racists. I wonder what was different about your post that caused you to be wrongly (?) labeled.

"I'm right leaning, so you would have thought I was talking about minorities anyway, so I just removed any doubt and specified minorities from the outset."

I learned long ago to not waste time trying to assign logic to a few specific posters on 2+2 and never waste time trying to figure out how a post can be construed as racist if it is said to be racist by these same posters. The mental gymnastics these posters use to call some posts racist are like simone biles trying to explain to a 4 year old in her first gymnastics tryout how to do simone's whole routine.

You are short on arguing against my post and an explanation of why it is racist and heavy on just repeating it is racist. The post you are responding to is below.

If you really want to react to my post and say it is racist against black people don't you think it would be useful to explain why you think discouraging black on black murder is a bad thing for the black community since I made that claim when I said "My idea would be better long-term for the black community"?

Or you just completely over estimate your ability to hide your racism in a public forum.

Please see my post below and let me know if you have any questions.

blahblah, you truly are the stupidest person on this website

I have to strongly disagree with you here. Someone going into a school and shooting up innocent children and teachers is a lot different than gang members killing each other.

I think the first is terrible, while I couldn't care less about the second, and hat has absolutely nothing to do with race. The other examples you mention would likely be classified by anyone along with those killed in a school - no one is arguing for the thing you say is "beyond stupid" - that's a complete strawman you're attacking.