KQo facing UTG1 triple barrel on dry board
Stakes: $2/$3 NLH with $6 Optional Straddle
Hero's Effective Stacks: $200 (V covered hero by 2.5x)
Hero: BB, Kd, Qc
V: UTG+1, Qd, 7c
Pre-flop: UTG+1 opens to $20. Folds to Hero. Hero calls.
Flop: 3s 7d Qh
Rainbow. Hero checks. V bets $15. Hero calls.
Turn: 9c
Hero checks. V bets $60. Hero calls.
River: 2s
Hero checks. V shoves for Hero's remaining $105. Hero calls.
Result: V shows Qd 7c for a two pairs. Hero loses.
Questions:
1. In a $6 straddled pot, we only have ~33bb. Is KQo a standard call from the BB against an UTG+1 open, or is this a 3-bet situation to avoid being out-flopped out of position?
2. Given the stack depth, is Top Pair+Good Kicker ever a fold on such a dry board, or am I mathematically committed to going broke?
11 Replies
Welcome to the forum.
Don't post the results for at least 24 hours - it's the rules, it's more fun and it doesn't influence the advice.
1: We're too shallow for a regular 3! because we should be 3!ing to $80 and now we're pot committed. So it's call or jam IMO. Given that V apparently has Q7o in his range, we should just be jamming really wide and KQo is certainly a fine jam this shallow vs a loose opener. The question is did we know/suspect V was that loose? Or are we learning that just now? My default vs random unknown would probably be to call.
2: You are never mathematically committed to going broke - if the player turns up his hand and shows you that you're beat, are you going to call? Of course not. We just need to determine how sure we are that we are beat. The question you need to ask at each street is: "Would this V do this with QJ?" There are no obvious bluffs, and most low stakes players tend to underbluff even when they are obvious. So absent a read that a V is bluffing somewhat close to enough, I assume they are all underbluffing and fold all bluff catchers, especially on the river.
So it's only a call if V is doing this with QJ. The flop we obviously have to pay off because QJ is certainly betting, and AK is probably stabbing. Even JJ/TT might stab.
The turn vs some players I think you can find a nitty fold. Is QJ going for an almost pot sized bet? AK? From a random $2/$3 player I'd say probably not. From some of the more spewy ones, maybe. But V has position so with his weaker holdings that might have stabbed flop like AK/JJ/TT/QT and probably QJ most will be happy to take the free card. Vs player pool I think this is where you LOL fold.
River: Again V has position, so with a weak Q like QJ, he can just check back and win sometimes. Even an aggressive V is likely to slow down realizing that weaker than QJ isn't going to call jam. So we have a pure bluffcatcher. This is an easy fold in my book.
It's not a board that is going to get bluffed a lot because it's hard to find bluffs. Our hand is face-up, V knows we have a Q (what else could we possibly have?). V is incentivized and probably would check back with medium value. V has an uncapped range - his play is consistent with AQ, KK, AA, QQ. So when V triples off here, he just always has it. Our pot odds don't matter when we are beat an estimated 99%+ of the time. Even if he's a spewtard going for the lols with 22 or 72 or 32 to laugh about it - he just got there.
Thanks! I understand that even if the SPR is low, I can still fold when in a disadvantageous position and save the remaining chips for a favorable pre-flop all-in, right?
Btw, I wanna to ask if you meant not revealing V's hands?
Absolutely. You never "have" to do anything, better or worse pot odds are just one factor that weighs in favor of one decision or another. But ultimately pot odds should be a consideration after you've already determined what types of hands are in your opponents range. If they have no bluffs, it doesn't matter what the odds are, and they are betting only 10% pot, you should fold (or bluff). If they have no value that beats you, it doesn't matter if they are betting 5x pot you should call. Pot odds become a consideration when you've already determined that your opponents range includes some hands that beat you and some hands that you beat. Then you can try to estimate if you're getting the right odds to call and will win often enough.
And yes, don't reveal V's hand. In the opening, give any notes on V or the game in general, including if V is a complete unknown. Give the hand history up to a point, for example in this case to the Vs river all-in and stop. Then people can give their opinions whether to call or not without being results oriented. The commenters are then in your seat with your information at the time you made the crucial decision, rather than Monday morning quarterbacking. You'll get better quality feedback. The forum standard is wait 24 hours to give people a chance to respond before posting what happened.
Got it. I will follow the forum standard next time.
3bet pre-flop and wide opener goes away.
You need to know a little about villain
At the time, I was new to the table and didn't really observe the others well enough.
1. In the hand you say ur btn, but ur asking if KQo is a call from BB? Doesn't matter, with your stack it's both a fold just confusing.
2. You're playing with 33bb. Not rly sure we're folding much TP with 33bb.
Which brings me to my next question. This is the second thread where you're super short, why?
Sorry that was a typo; the hero is BB.
Regarding super short, since the max buy-in at this table is $500, I initially thought $250 was a suitable number for managing my mental account, but recently I increased it to 100bb since $250 seems a bit short.
Don't tell us what V had in the OP.
Read this - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/170/l...
