Do you call to go five-way with AJo in SB? 3bet? Just give up?

Agreed. I'm mostly playing 3B or fold from the SB, and AJs is harder to release. So it seems like an easier decision to raise, but we're still likely to go to the flop multi-way and OOP.

Obviously AJs has the additional value of flush potential. Not sure if we're more or less likely to get ourselves into trouble with it. I can imagine flopping TP3K + a FDFD on AXX two-tone and losing a good chunk of our stack to better AX when we don't bink the turn.

Funny seeing you here! Let me save you a lot of time. Most here have put this guy on ignore. He is in fact a troll. He's a 2nl reg who created an account to brag about his 2nl winrate and now spends most of his time trolling this sub. It's kinda sad but most are just ignoring him now.

Yes. Rake affects ranges. Not surprised a 2nl reg doesn't know this though.

In that case what you're really saying is that, for example, AJo in the SB has a winrate >0 in a game with an $8 rake and a winrate <0 in a game with a $10 rake.

There's just no way that's true

I'll concede that maybe somewhere way down the chart is a hand that straddles that line to the point where a change in rake can swing the EV from positive to negative. But that borderline is nowhere near a hand as strong as AJ, especially given the scared-baby action we've faced to this point in the hand.

Ah, then yes let him complete AJo from SB and go 5 ways to a flop, even with $0 rake this seems bad in this spot

He is not a troll. He is just a fish.

grunching

never calling here

LJ raise is uncapped

you're going to get stacked here if you play a big pot postflop unless you hit yahtzee

your best bet is hoping LJ has the lower end of that range and you can squeeze and take down $32 now

otherwise, you're forcing a play with a penultimate hand out of position - classic recipe for getting stacked

I doubt LJ min raising is "uncapped" nor are we automatically getting stacked by 3betting AJo here.

I think this a 3! or fold spot. Calling puts you in the worst position post flop with RIO. In my game, both LJ and HJ can have AQ or AK plenty.

I tend to fold in this spot even though it’s a min raise. It’s possible that the PF raiser either didn’t see the straddle or just always raises to 10 when he raises PF.. I virtually always make a big raise with AJo from the SB when there are a bunch of limps to me.

If the game is such where a 3! to 60 is likely to take it down or get it heads up, then that may be a little better than folding. That being said, we make most of our money playing pots IP against weaker players. So if we 3! big here we often find ourselves in no man’s land in a bloated pot OOP.

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ac84, just admit you didn't read my post

I mean, it's 1/2 so I would argue that he actually is capped. a Min raise at 1/2 is basically never JJ-AA here and it's far more likely to be a small pair or suited connected nonsense...both of which will likely call our raise pre but fold by the turn 90% of the time. I probably wouldn't do it tbh because of the danger of it going 5 ways

I am ok calling at a 1/2 table like this though tbh, because I'm capable of folding post flop and if everyone is as sticky as it seems, then we probably can get giant value out of dominated two pairs. But it's very clearly a fold if you don't have a good, strong fold button post flop.

i didn't mean "this is aces" what i meant is that we can't rule out a hand like aces

it's also very difficult to properly analyze because we're told nothing about the player who raises

at a typical 1/2 table, there's usually 1 or 2 guys at the table for whom a min open is super nutted because they want customers - they are more worried about raising and taking it down pre than they are anything else

hence why we also see the minclick happen so frequently at these stakes because they feel "I have a really good hand i should be raising" but they are thinking more about "what if they fold" than "how do we play for stacks"

agreed it's probably going to be a hand like 66, and i'm 3! most of the time here myself - prefer that immensely to folding

but i still like folding more than calling

AJo 5 ways oop is not a fun time

I also wouldn't try to read anything into what the minraise means other than it's clearly not a good player. They might not like going big in straddled pots, or it could be a sign of a weak hand, or a sign of a big pair, or just no sign at all.

Calling is clearly a terrible option. We're getting about 3.5/1 which is alright but doesn't make it mandatory to get involved, with an offsuit Ace-high, guaranteed to be out of position and assuming nobody squeezes behind us and forced us to fold then it's almost certainly going 5-6 ways and we'll be first to act. Basically there are no good reasons to call.

I wouldn't mind squeezing, it's the presence of the loose passive BB, the straddle and the limper in addition to everyone else that make me doubt we can take it down straight away and while we hate a multiway pot OOP with AJo, we hate a bloated multiway pot OOP even more. By all means get involved with some AJ hands, which is why I would very happily squeeze AJs (and ATs)

Grunch. I’m glad I called for everyone’s entertainment

I seem to recall suggesting to you in another recent thread that you could likely leverage your nitty image by getting a little OOL and making some aggressive plays.

Folding pre is fine. Occasionally finding spots to opportunistically get OOL by raising is also fine, and arguably good, to the extent we get an immediate boost to our win rate when we just take it down, and/or a long term boost to our win rate by keeping our opponents guessing.

Calling is just meh. Even when we're getting what seem to be the correct odds, we're going to have a difficult time realizing our equity post flop.