99 in CO: C-bet or give up?
1/2. 225 effective. Rake 6+3+1. V is a loose passive and unaware. Hero is TAG.
UTG limps. V UTG+1 calls. Hero in CO with
If you are going to check / give up w/ 99, don't raise 99 pre-flop. Might as well limp every hand except AA/KK/AK.
If you are going to check / give up w/ 99, don't raise 99 pre-flop. Might as well limp every hand except AA/KK/AK.
That's certainly something to consider.
But here's a fun fact about poker you might not know. The game is played with a deck containing fifty two different and distinct cards!!! And every hand starts with them be shuffled into a totally random order so when the dealer puts out the flop, it could be any three cards!
It won't always come KJ8
We could evaluate each flop as it comes, analyze how well it connects with our hand and how well it could possibly connect with our opponent's hand. Then we could pick and choose which flops to check and which ones to bet based on what's most +EV for each situation.
That's called "playing poker".
I think you're looking for a game called "bingo".
You're in the wrong forum
And KJ8 should connect with our hand. LOL. But keep check/folding or praying for low cards.
If you are going to check / give up w/ 99, don't raise 99 pre-flop. Might as well limp every hand except AA/KK/AK.
To be quite honest, this isn't a terrible idea.
Imagine a game where there are no blinds at all. Assume play just starts to the left of the button and players can either bet or fold. What hands would you play?
Spoiler
If you said only AA, then you are correct!
This game has $3 in the middle pre-deal. Virtually zero for any practical purpose. You can't even buy eggs with that.
So if there's no incentive to enter the pot, then playing supremely tight is probably a good strategy.
Other hands only become profitable by virtue of the fact that players in these games are so freakin' loose. But it's precisely because of that looseness that we have to realize this flop texture is terrible and we're most likely toast if any money goes in.
And KJ8 should connect with our hand. LOL. But keep check/folding or praying for low cards.
What you're advocating here is bluffing into a calling station.
I'll let you search the forums yourself to learn if that's a good idea or not.
Or....just ask yourself this question: Would YOU, javanewt, fold JT to a c-bet??
From loose/passive to calling station -- are you just making things up now (well, continuing to)?
Loose passive = calling station
Is that news to you?
Are you just learning that right now??
Out of EXTREME curiosity....
What did you THINK the difference was between a loosepassive, and a calling station??
Oh no you don't. I want an answer.
Literally every book, article, podcast, seminar, webinar, and coaching suite equates the term "loose/passive" and calling station.
Everyone knows that. Everyone apparently except you.
You've drawn a distinction between the two. What is it?
What is this spam. What's wrong with this spastic.
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$15 is not nearly enough, you have 2 limpers in, you need to make it at least 20 if not 25
they will by default put you on AK quite often and fold to a cbet here
If you block user instead of ignore user you won't get all the annoying blocked post messages. At least I've got him blocked and I'm not getting them. I don't know for sure. I never had to block anyone else.
V was kind of a calling station who also took stabs at the pot. So I thought she had lots of Kx and Jx in her range, but also thought she could have stolen the pot with 88. Some opponents just check down. Not she.
Oh yeah, V was a woman.
Go ahead and block me guppies.
When I shred your strat-advice and you remain speechless, everyone will see what donkeys you are.
V was kind of a calling station who also took stabs at the pot. So I thought she had lots of Kx and Jx in her range, but also thought she could have stolen the pot with 88. Some opponents just check down. Not she.
Oh yeah, V was a woman.
If you think she's going to stab with an 8, then maybe you can call turn. But is she going 2/3rds pot? If she bets then checks river, is she going to fold Jx or 8x if we bet? It seems like pouring a lot of money in to find out she has Kx or Jx which are both a huge part of her range when she limp/calls from EP.
The bottom line is that this is a bottom 25% flop for our hand. 75% of flops are better for this hand. So bet the 75% of flops that are better and put your aggression into those. Out of your range, this flop is better for a huge portion of it is either hit harder and better to value bet or whiffed and better to bluff. The solver plays two hands passively: 99/77. That's it. Everything else that it checks back is checking back solely to protect that tiny range. Vs a human, we don't need to check back everything else. We can bet every hand in this spot, and check back solely the hands that really benefit from playing small ball on this flop: 99/77
(Although personally, I would also check back something like K6/K5 here in order to get max value from Jx/8x because Jx will usually call two streets and if V starts betting K6 is a good bluffcatcher.)
Unfortunately it looks like the block user feature is only available on the new forum. If you're exclusively using the old format you'll have to just rely on the ignore function.
I really don't think you should raise 99 pre if you aren't going to c-bet on a flop that is great for your range. It's not as if you are a LAG. If she calls the flop, you can re-evaluate the turn, but she's folding a lot of her holdings to a c-bet on this flop. If she is an actual calling station, as some believe, she'll call w/ worse, too, and then check the turn, which is great 😉
As played, you gave her an open invitation to bet turn w/ anything. If you know 100% she won't bet w/ worse than a J, fold is fine.
I really don't think you should raise 99 pre if you aren't going to c-bet on a flop that is great for your range. It's not as if you are a LAG. If she calls the flop, you can re-evaluate the turn, but she's folding a lot of her holdings to a c-bet on this flop. If she is an actual calling station, as some believe, she'll call w/ worse, too, and then check the turn, which is gre
What's the difference between a loose-passive and a calling station?
A loose passive is loose passive and will fold to a bet on the flop w/ an 8 or worse; a calling station will call with an 8 or worse on the flop. If she is a calling station, we 100% want to bet the flop and evaluate the turn. If she is a loose passive, we 100% want to bet the flop and evaluate the turn.
What's the difference between a poker player who always recommends to check/fold the flop and a losing player?
